M5 or X5M

E90076 · 05-04-2013, 11:49 AM

I honestly haven't test driven a f10 M5 yet but dislike the softness and numb steering of my wife's f10 m-sport 535i compared to our old e92 335i and e90 m3. I've even considered an x5m (which I have driven) in order to get the TTV8 with the "old" BMW feel. Can anyone comment on the drive of a 535i vs m5? Engine/acceleration aside of course.

dkreidel · 05-04-2013, 12:04 PM

I don't have an M5 but do have an X5M and a M6 on order. I've driven the F10 M5 on an extended trip in Germany and the two cars are like chalk and cheese. Other than the shared basic mongo motor, one is an overweight 4-door sedan and the other is an uber overweight SUV/truck

If I had to choose between an M5 and the X5M I'd pick the M5...but since I have a 6-speed (7speed?) MT M6 coming the X5M truck offers a little diversity. The X5M has the Dinan tune so it may be as quick straight line as an M5 until drag takes over North of 100 mph, but even with the X5M's trick suspension and high center of gravity it won't stay with a well-driven M5 on the twisties.

610 HP + 575 ft-lbs of torque + AWD + launch control = a lot of fun

avlnch · 05-04-2013, 12:21 PM

I have driven both. Unless you have a need for a truck, go with the F10 M5. I have also driven the F10 550. The steering from the 550 to the M5 is different, the M5 being tighter (adjustable). If you put the M5 in all comfort mode it may be close but slightly better than the 550.

If you put it in all sport mode, steering is vastly improved over the 550.

The F10 M5 is the FIRST M CAR that IMO is able to go from a "feels like a 7er" car to a "this is a beast M5" car. What I mean by this is in all comfort you feel like your driving a real luxury car (ex 7er). Then in all sport it literally transforms.

stealth.pilot · 05-04-2013, 12:37 PM

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Originally Posted by E90076

I honestly haven't test driven a f10 M5 yet but dislike the softness and numb steering of my wife's f10 m-sport 535i compared to our old e92 335i and e90 m3. I've even considered an x5m (which I have driven) in order to get the TTV8 with the "old" BMW feel. Can anyone comment on the drive of a 535i vs m5? Engine/acceleration aside of course.

I had a 550i M-Sport Dinan Stage 2 with IAS, DDC, ARS, which is basically the sportiest configuration you can get on a regular 5.

The M5 blows it away in terms of handling, grip, stability, steering feel, and a general taste for blood.

URBAN LEGEND · 05-04-2013, 01:47 PM

Any non M 5 series is thrash. I had the 11 m gayness 550i and hated it. Drive the M5 then get back at me.

URBAN LEGEND · 05-04-2013, 01:48 PM

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Originally Posted by dkreidel

I don't have an M5 but do have an X5M and a M6 on order. I've driven the F10 M5 on an extended trip in Germany and the two cars are like chalk and cheese. Other than the shared basic mongo motor, one is an overweight 4-door sedan and the other is an uber overweight SUV/truck

If I had to choose between an M5 and the X5M I'd pick the M5...but since I have a 6-speed (7speed?) MT M6 coming the X5M truck offers a little diversity. The X5M has the Dinan tune so it may be as quick straight line as an M5 until drag takes over North of 100 mph, but even with the X5M's trick suspension and high center of gravity it won't stay with a well-driven M5 on the twisties.

610 HP + 575 ft-lbs of torque + AWD + launch control = a lot of fun

And 5000 plus pounds...

E90076 · 05-04-2013, 02:05 PM

I wouldn't doubt for a second that the M5 would murder an X5M on a track and/or in max steering grip/slalom speed. That being said, I enjoy how the older BMW's drive because they seem to be less insulated from the road and provide a greater sense of rawness - sound, ride harshness, tire noise, steering feel. Purely personal preference as I recognize that the newer f10's are extremely refined.

I'll have to go for a test drive to see.

DMC126 · 05-04-2013, 02:47 PM

My wife drives a 2012 F10 535i M Sport that I drive quite a bit. I drive a 2013 F10 M5. The 535i M Sport is a very nice car but it is not close to the M5, in any way.

URBAN LEGEND · 05-04-2013, 03:11 PM

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Originally Posted by DMC126

My wife drives a 2012 F10 535i M Sport that I drive quite a bit. I drive a 2013 F10 M5. The 535i M Sport is a very nice car but it is not close to the M5, in any way.

End of thread.

stealth.pilot · 05-04-2013, 04:26 PM

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Originally Posted by E90076

I honestly haven't test driven a f10 M5 yet but dislike the softness and numb steering of my wife's f10 m-sport 535i compared to our old e92 335i and e90 m3. I've even considered an x5m (which I have driven) in order to get the TTV8 with the "old" BMW feel. Can anyone comment on the drive of a 535i vs m5? Engine/acceleration aside of course.

You got to be kidding me! Unless you're a soccer mom, get an M5.

E90076 · 05-04-2013, 05:02 PM

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Originally Posted by stealth.pilot

You got to be kidding me! Unless you're a soccer mom, get an M5.

Ha, you're preaching to the choir man. I want to like it but I've just been let down by the other BMW's of late.

04S · 05-04-2013, 05:06 PM

There is simply no comparison in steering feel. First gen electric vs m tuned hydraulic steering = no contest

chong0 · 05-04-2013, 07:03 PM

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Originally Posted by E90076

I honestly haven't test driven a f10 M5 yet but dislike the softness and numb steering of my wife's f10 m-sport 535i compared to our old e92 335i and e90 m3. I've even considered an x5m (which I have driven) in order to get the TTV8 with the "old" BMW feel. Can anyone comment on the drive of a 535i vs m5? Engine/acceleration aside of course.

if the f10 535 is anything like an f30 that i drove for a loaner while the m5 was serviced, its crap.

pretty sure my 1985 chevy celebrity felt more connected to the road.

get the m5, or at least test drive it. you will not have any question afterwards

JOHNBMWM5 · 05-05-2013, 06:59 AM

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Originally Posted by stealth.pilot

I had a 550i M-Sport Dinan Stage 2 with IAS, DDC, ARS, which is basically the sportiest configuration you can get on a regular 5.

The M5 blows it away in terms of handling, grip, stability, steering feel, and a general taste for blood.

Totally agreed, my 550i M Sport was not in the same "Ball Park" to the M5.

dkreidel · 05-05-2013, 01:28 PM

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Originally Posted by URBAN LEGEND

And 5000 plus pounds...

Yep, but both are porkers. The X5M is going to Spring Mountain Motorsports Ranch next month along with the M12 GTO-3R for a little fun. I'm sure there will be a few F10 M5's there too; the lap time comparisons between the F10's and my 610 HP X will be enlightening...if it doesn't tip over

h4nh · 05-05-2013, 10:33 PM

X5M if you want to fill up every 180-200 miles on a tank. It goes by pretty quick. The brake dust is super annoying and it's such a big vehicle to wash. Other than that I like sitting up higher, AWD traction, and smoking other cars with it.

M5 for the win.

secretariat · 05-06-2013, 09:35 AM

DMC126, I was in Hershey PA this weekend for 13u baseball, and one of the other parents had an 2012 535i m-sport. I asked him if he liked it, and he did and didn't. Absolutely no soul, but very smooth. He also mentioned that he has had at least 15 flat tires with the m-sport tires. 15!!!!!! Any pothole guaranteed flat tire. Are you experiencing the same thing? Are these m-sport tires problematic?

DMC126 · 05-06-2013, 10:48 AM

No problems with the Pirelli P Zeros run flats but when they wear out they will be replaced by Michelin Pilot Sports.

Northern X5M · 05-06-2013, 12:33 PM

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X5M if you want to fill up every 180-200 miles on a tank. It goes by pretty quick. The brake dust is super annoying and it's such a big vehicle to wash. Other than that I like sitting up higher, AWD traction, and smoking other cars with it.

M5 for the win.

Yes. Agree.
I loved the traction and security of the AWD when I was pissin' around with the X5M. And the seating position was perfect, had I keep my X5M longer I would have lowered it and I imagine it would have been perfect-er. The M5 is just a bit low for me, but I am getting used to it more every day. I do really miss the spaciousness of the X5 interior. I loved the room of the driver's position. Main gripe of the X5M, I had the standard seats, couldn't order the contour seats when I got mine. The long distance trips were hell on my back, that's mostly why I got rid of mine.

For everyday fun it is no contest... M5, and I loved my X5M.

E90076 · 05-06-2013, 01:59 PM

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Originally Posted by Northern X5M

Yes. Agree.
I loved the traction and security of the AWD when I was pissin' around with the X5M. And the seating position was perfect, had I keep my X5M longer I would have lowered it and I imagine it would have been perfect-er. The M5 is just a bit low for me, but I am getting used to it more every day. I do really miss the spaciousness of the X5 interior. I loved the room of the driver's position. Main gripe of the X5M, I had the standard seats, couldn't order the contour seats when I got mine. The long distance trips were hell on my back, that's mostly why I got rid of mine.

For everyday fun it is no contest... M5, and I loved my X5M.

Thanks for the feedback. It's good to hear from an owner of both vehicles.

avi8tir · 05-06-2013, 06:41 PM

I own both X5 M and M5.... there is no comparison between the 2.

I bought the X5M "hoping" I would be happy after owning 2 E60 M5's.

That lasted about 4 months.... And then I couldn't help it and bought an M5. Fiancé now drives the X5M. She loves it but it really lacks the sporty feeling of the M5.

ice7 · 05-06-2013, 07:34 PM

I currently own both as well and like everyone said 2 totally different cars. If I had to pick one I would pick the M5 of course. More exciting to drive and love the RWD. If I had kids and needed more utility/space I would pick the X5 M. Kept both the X5 M since my wife wanted to have an SUV and why not have the fastest SUV right.

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dkreidel Lieutenant 244 Rep 596 Posts Drives: a lot of BMW's Join Date: Oct 2009 Location: NW Montana iTrader: (0)	I don't have an M5 but do have an X5M and a M6 on order. I've driven the F10 M5 on an extended trip in Germany and the two cars are like chalk and cheese. Other than the shared basic mongo motor, one is an overweight 4-door sedan and the other is an uber overweight SUV/truck If I had to choose between an M5 and the X5M I'd pick the M5...but since I have a 6-speed (7speed?) MT M6 coming the X5M truck offers a little diversity. The X5M has the Dinan tune so it may be as quick straight line as an M5 until drag takes over North of 100 mph, but even with the X5M's trick suspension and high center of gravity it won't stay with a well-driven M5 on the twisties. 610 HP + 575 ft-lbs of torque + AWD + launch control = a lot of fun __________________ 2020 X3 M40 Alpine White over Cognac • 20" BBS CC-R • Cerium delete 2017 440xi Estoril over Saddle Brown • 6-speed • Every stinkin' option
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avlnch Lieutenant Colonel 127 Rep 1,622 Posts Drives: 2013 Individual M5 Join Date: Jul 2007 Location: South FL iTrader: (0)	I have driven both. Unless you have a need for a truck, go with the F10 M5. I have also driven the F10 550. The steering from the 550 to the M5 is different, the M5 being tighter (adjustable). If you put the M5 in all comfort mode it may be close but slightly better than the 550. If you put it in all sport mode, steering is vastly improved over the 550. The F10 M5 is the FIRST M CAR that IMO is able to go from a "feels like a 7er" car to a "this is a beast M5" car. What I mean by this is in all comfort you feel like your driving a real luxury car (ex 7er). Then in all sport it literally transforms. __________________ 2013 BMW INDIVIDUAL ///M5 {Frozen Black/Amaro Brown/Amaro Brown Alcantara/White Contrast Stitching/Piano Black Trim}
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URBAN LEGEND Rocky 412 Rep 3,085 Posts Drives: 16 M5, 18 ZL1 1LE, 18 M3 Join Date: Feb 2009 Location: Brenham TX iTrader: (0)	Any non M 5 series is thrash. I had the 11 m gayness 550i and hated it. Drive the M5 then get back at me.
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E90076 Lieutenant 235 Rep 506 Posts Drives: X3M, M2CS, M5CS Join Date: Nov 2007 Location: USA iTrader: (0)	I wouldn't doubt for a second that the M5 would murder an X5M on a track and/or in max steering grip/slalom speed. That being said, I enjoy how the older BMW's drive because they seem to be less insulated from the road and provide a greater sense of rawness - sound, ride harshness, tire noise, steering feel. Purely personal preference as I recognize that the newer f10's are extremely refined. I'll have to go for a test drive to see. Last edited by E90076; 05-04-2013 at 02:09 PM.. Reason: Edit
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DMC126 Private 4 Rep 79 Posts Drives: 2002 M5/2013 M5 6MT Join Date: Jun 2012 Location: San Diego iTrader: (0)	My wife drives a 2012 F10 535i M Sport that I drive quite a bit. I drive a 2013 F10 M5. The 535i M Sport is a very nice car but it is not close to the M5, in any way.
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04S Captain 174 Rep 837 Posts Drives: M4 xDrive, X5 40i and U11 X1 Join Date: Sep 2008 Location: Sydney, Australia iTrader: (0)	There is simply no comparison in steering feel. First gen electric vs m tuned hydraulic steering = no contest
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h4nh Major 237 Rep 1,095 Posts Drives: 09 SC E90 M3 / 13 F10 M5 Join Date: Sep 2011 Location: Dallas, TX iTrader: (0) Garage List 2009 E90 M3 (superc ... [10.00] 2013 M5 [0.00]	X5M if you want to fill up every 180-200 miles on a tank. It goes by pretty quick. The brake dust is super annoying and it's such a big vehicle to wash. Other than that I like sitting up higher, AWD traction, and smoking other cars with it. M5 for the win. __________________
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secretariat Major 953 Rep 1,457 Posts Drives: 2016 X5M Join Date: Dec 2012 Location: New York iTrader: (0)	DMC126, I was in Hershey PA this weekend for 13u baseball, and one of the other parents had an 2012 535i m-sport. I asked him if he liked it, and he did and didn't. Absolutely no soul, but very smooth. He also mentioned that he has had at least 15 flat tires with the m-sport tires. 15!!!!!! Any pothole guaranteed flat tire. Are you experiencing the same thing? Are these m-sport tires problematic?
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avi8tir Captain 397 Rep 855 Posts Drives: ///M Join Date: Oct 2011 Location: SNA IAH AMS iTrader: (0)	I own both X5 M and M5.... there is no comparison between the 2. I bought the X5M "hoping" I would be happy after owning 2 E60 M5's. That lasted about 4 months.... And then I couldn't help it and bought an M5. Fiancé now drives the X5M. She loves it but it really lacks the sporty feeling of the M5.
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