11-11-2016, 12:39 PM | #45 |
Private First Class
12
Rep 117
Posts |
Thank you both for the responses. I have to say I was not aware of the cleaning considerations. While I do hand wash my cars or at least endeavor to hand wash there are times I take it through a high quality brushless car wash, particularly in the winter. I always tell them no acid on the wheels and so its just soap, water, and a light brushing with the cloth.
Sounds like even that is not ideal for the CCBs. Maybe we are talking about some extreme circumstances here but I would definitely not want the CCBs if they a) don't have 100% performance in cold, rain, etc. or b) have any real concerns about going through a standard high quality car wash.
__________________
Deciding: 2020 X5M50 or Range Rover Sport Supercharged
Gone: 2017 Audi S6, 2016 GT350 Track Pack; 2011.5 E93 M3 DCT; 2004 Cayenne Turbo Fabspeed bypass; 2011 Husqvarna TE449 (street / dirt toy) |
Appreciate
0
|
11-11-2016, 07:51 PM | #46 |
Captain
205
Rep 654
Posts |
CCB brakes are awesome..............but as lemetier said to me a few months ago, these CCB brakes do not fit on M5 F10 cars built up to 2012 as these cars will need massive modifications for it to accept the MCCB:
-suspension, strut and axle adjustments -re-calibration of the ABS and DSC systems (since the Yellow Carbon Brakes have different braking characteristics compared to the Blue Steel Brakes) |
Appreciate
0
|
11-13-2016, 06:50 PM | #47 | |
Private First Class
12
Rep 117
Posts |
Quote:
|
|
Appreciate
0
|
11-13-2016, 08:03 PM | #48 |
Private
37
Rep 71
Posts
Drives: F10 M5
Join Date: Oct 2016
Location: Washington DC
|
darn it Silver TT - stop eying the same cars i'm considering to buy.
|
Appreciate
0
|
11-13-2016, 09:05 PM | #49 |
Private
14
Rep 62
Posts |
|
Appreciate
0
|
11-14-2016, 01:04 PM | #50 | |
Private First Class
12
Rep 117
Posts |
Quote:
__________________
Deciding: 2020 X5M50 or Range Rover Sport Supercharged
Gone: 2017 Audi S6, 2016 GT350 Track Pack; 2011.5 E93 M3 DCT; 2004 Cayenne Turbo Fabspeed bypass; 2011 Husqvarna TE449 (street / dirt toy) |
|
Appreciate
0
|
11-15-2016, 04:17 AM | #51 |
Captain
184
Rep 788
Posts |
Con's - expensive to buy or replace.
Pro's - better in every respect to braking, sterring and supension feel to more or lesser degrees. Clean wheels (very little dust) long service life if not tracked - can have similar service life to steels on track if traction control used or driver very heavy on brakes and no cooling laps/time. |
Appreciate
0
|
11-15-2016, 05:07 AM | #52 |
Lieutenant
275
Rep 410
Posts |
6 months with CCBs
Took delivery in April and am very pleased with the CCBs. Impressions:
1) Incredible stopping power. Car stops on a dime. 2) Virtually NO brake dust. Clean wheels all the time. 3) Look the business. Gold calipers and huge rotors are awesome. I'd go for them...
__________________
22 BMW F90 M5, 21 MERCEDES E63S WAGON, 18 BMW R9T RACER,16 BMW F10 M5, 09 BMW HP2 SPORT, 06 BMW E60 M5, 91 BMW E34 M5, 88 BMW E28 M5
|
Appreciate
1
a9065.50 |
11-15-2016, 11:06 AM | #53 |
Private
3
Rep 56
Posts |
I have a friend in the Twin Cities who has a company that cryogenically treats brake rotors to last longer. We use them on our track cars.
I called him for advice when I was looking at two pre-owned M5's with CCB's. His advice was stay away. Not enough apparent difference in performance on the street to warrant the cost plus the rotors can crack from rock chips, etc. BMW wants 13 grand for replacement front ceramic rotors and pads. He also said he has clients that buy Porsche GT3's that only come with ceramic brakes. They come to him and spend 5 grand to replace them with steel brakes in order to avoid the costly replacement parts if there is a problem. They put the ceramics back on when they sell the car. I took his advice, and now I clean my wheels a lot. |
Appreciate
0
|
11-15-2016, 11:51 AM | #54 | |
Private First Class
12
Rep 117
Posts |
Quote:
__________________
Deciding: 2020 X5M50 or Range Rover Sport Supercharged
Gone: 2017 Audi S6, 2016 GT350 Track Pack; 2011.5 E93 M3 DCT; 2004 Cayenne Turbo Fabspeed bypass; 2011 Husqvarna TE449 (street / dirt toy) |
|
Appreciate
0
|
11-16-2016, 04:30 AM | #56 |
Lieutenant
275
Rep 410
Posts |
This reminds me of the hand wringing about the comp package. Anyone who didn't get it tries to justify their decision by saying it's not worth the money, can spend the same money on aftermarket upgrades... blah blah blah. Bottom line is the CCBs are superior brakes and if you want them you gotta pay for them. Stop better, lighter, last longer and look better...
|
Appreciate
0
|
11-16-2016, 11:51 AM | #58 |
Lieutenant
198
Rep 431
Posts |
I have CCBs on mine and I love them! I also had them on my F80 before I got the M5, the only negative I have about these is the stress you get when you have to get a tire shop to patch a tire, last thing we need is wheels dropping on the rotors. Unfortunately my first tire had a nail and had to go to BMW which they had to put a new tire since they don't do repairs. The new tire got a nail literally on the edge of the sidewall so that tire was useless, instead of going to BMW I went to the tire shop with my first tire and it was patched and still going strong. The stress of the removing wheel process is high unless that whole situation is a hoax where you drop the wheel on the rotor will require replacing it.
__________________
Current Cars:
2017 GT350 2018 Mineral White M3 2015 ML63 AMG |
Appreciate
0
|
11-16-2016, 02:28 PM | #59 |
Private
122
Rep 73
Posts |
To give some perspective:
. my car has 44 000 miles with standard brakes with high temperature brake fluid . -no- track days . some spirited driving on German Autobahns but otherwise a majority of smooth swift driving within speed limits . result: front discs had to be replaced twice (pads 3 times) and back discs once (pads twice) under warranty (included in maintenance here in Europe) . tried other M5s with the CCBs on track days (M Driving Experience): impressive consistency in pedal feel and stopping power . but then the tires are the weak point as they can overshoot in temperature and then grip drops fast Therefore if I had to chose again I would definitely go for the CCBs... But it ultimately comes down to your personal driving, how you use the car, preferences and if you want to spend on the CCBs: your choice knowing pros and cons. |
Appreciate
0
|
11-16-2016, 02:35 PM | #60 | |
Private First Class
12
Rep 117
Posts |
Quote:
__________________
Deciding: 2020 X5M50 or Range Rover Sport Supercharged
Gone: 2017 Audi S6, 2016 GT350 Track Pack; 2011.5 E93 M3 DCT; 2004 Cayenne Turbo Fabspeed bypass; 2011 Husqvarna TE449 (street / dirt toy) |
|
Appreciate
0
|
11-16-2016, 09:05 PM | #61 |
Private
37
Rep 71
Posts
Drives: F10 M5
Join Date: Oct 2016
Location: Washington DC
|
I'm curious, for the folks who say no to CCB, would you get them if they were a 2k option? How about a no cost option?
|
Appreciate
0
|
11-16-2016, 10:03 PM | #62 |
Lieutenant Colonel
124
Rep 1,840
Posts
Drives: '14 M5 CP Dinan Stage 2
Join Date: Jun 2013
Location: Houston, Tx
|
Nope, because I have them
__________________
|
Appreciate
0
|
11-17-2016, 03:49 AM | #63 | |
Captain
184
Rep 788
Posts |
Quote:
Also the discs are strong and as not as fragile as some make out but they aren't as strong as steel when subjected to impacts. |
|
Appreciate
0
|
Post Reply |
Bookmarks |
Thread Tools | Search this Thread |
|
|