Rumors: M5/M6 returning to V10, G31 M5 Touring and X1 M

[dhirm5]

Originally Posted by BigMacSmallFries

There's zero chance of a v10 M5. I don't know why you're even posting that when you know that with the 2020 European regulations it's not a possibility.

What regulation prevents a small displacement V10TT? Is there actually a regulation limiting the number of cylinders?

I don't see why the configuration can't be had while adhering to regulations -- unless of course they do limit cylinders.

[Mdecisive]

I agree.. As much as I have unconditional love for the current ///M line up, it is missing some "soul". A v10 would certainly bring the brand back to their roots.. I think it'll be turbocharged if they don't have any talk of adopting la Ferrari - P1 - 918 tech
But what do I know.. I'm just some guy on his iPhone sitting on the toilet

[Thurman Murch]

Isn't this supposed to be the V10 based on the N74B66 with two cylinders chopped off? I heard that the new V10 would be a new, M-massaged version.

[boramkiv]

And by the way, if Dodge can get away with that "Hello Kitty" and its 707HP and 13MPG city, why can't BMW go back to its NA roots?
Is it because Fiat is their low tier brand so the company can meet its CAFE standards?
Well, Mini with its three Cylinder offerings and the i brand should allow BMW to go high or go home.

I don't believe it, but it surely isn't far fetched.

[clar]

U took the words rite out of my mouth

Originally Posted by Matski

I can see a V10 happening, I could even just about see a naturally aspirated one happen.

Yes turbo-charging is being used now to get the required output vs. economy/emissions, but --- if you put less load on the engine in the first place, then you'll cut the emissions and consumption anyway, and pushing forward with things like project-i is ABSOLUTELY about this idea... a hybrid supplimented system requires less effort from the engine, and lighter body (this will be a G-series engine, not the partially lighter F-series) will require less effort from the engine.

The Fleet average required to meet legislation is being maintained by these new smaller three cylinder vehicles so many here like to bitch about. So the next gen M engines can perhaps afford to distance themselves from the core range a little more again.

This is the future people, don't judge it by the S85, that tech is probably 20 years old by the time a next-gen V10 hits the market.

Will it definitely happen... I don't know, but you have to think that all the development and ground work BMW has been doing with project-i is going to start to pay dividends once this transitional phase is over. E is the past, F is the transitional phase, G is the future... and the future could be a smaller displacement 400hp V10, with 150hp of power on tap from e-motors, in a car that weighs somewhere between an E39 M5 and an E60 M5.


As for the X1M, M engineers then I assume will be doing what they can with the UKL platform... interesting.

[Kurt_OH]

Originally Posted by TheBingoBalls

Highly doubt a N/A V10. BMW put so much emphasis on turbocharging their cars I find it highly unlikely they'll resort back to N/A especially since the current engine is generally praised in it's application. Add the fact that each year, regulations become stricter N/A would be a pipe dream at this point.

Huh? Who is praising it? Top Gear said the lag was horrendous!

[Matski]

Originally Posted by Kurt_OH

Huh? Who is praising it? Top Gear said the lag was horrendous!

Link, or your own hyperbole?

[blackshan]

Originally Posted by Mdecisive

I agree.. As much as I have unconditional love for the current ///M line up, it is missing some "soul". A v10 would certainly bring the brand back to their roots.. I think it'll be turbocharged if they don't have any talk of adopting la Ferrari - P1 - 918 tech
But what do I know.. I'm just some guy on his iPhone sitting on the toilet

Lmao

[Jblack4083]

I see a V10 as being realistic but part of me is thinking why is it needed. We all know why we WANT it but from a business standpoint I would be interested in seeing the justifications for it.

V10 seems realistic because it will most likely take advantage of some sort of hybrid technology, turbocharging technology, and cylinder deactivation technology. Carstradamus is predicting a V10TT with electric boost and pure electric drive that can become an I5 when all cylinders are not needed. Additionally, with the reduced weight they can make it smaller displacement.

Car technology always trickles down. You can think of the i8 as a test-bed for BMW and their hybrid/petrol technologies. Common sense would tell us that it would eventually spread to more places in the product portfolio. We have already seen this with the Carbon Fiber technology from the i8 and i3 trickling down to the new 7-series.

The question is... why? How can doing this be better than doing the exact same stuff with a V8? Also, a V8 might be more reliable due to BMW's extensive experience with them dating back to the early years.

[ska///235i]

I way s X1M in a pre-X3 size

[GotE46M]

I'll believe it when they officially announce it.

[Eddien123]

Please!!!!

[Pentium]

From all the true bad news about FWD drive 1 Series/2 Series, I want this V10 rumor to be true! please BMW

[TheBingoBalls]

Originally Posted by Kurt_OH

Huh? Who is praising it? Top Gear said the lag was horrendous!

Please provide a link. Hammond's review praised it. Chris harris praised it. Carlos Lago praised even as going as far to say that it almost acted like a N/A engine because the response was so good as a turbo engine. Most of the media praised it. The only thing you can hate about BMW's turbo V8 was sound but the application of that V8 was great.

[Nordkeyz73]

If BMW can get away with a turbo V12, anything is possible.

[BPMSport]

New V10.... Now this is exciting.

[Falafel Combo]

How does a NA V10 make any sense in the current restrictive emissions landscape?

[Falafel Combo]

I'm going for an NA inline 6 RWD with electric FWD motor for torque fill. Yes, I realize I just totally made thatup.

[Twitch Massacre]

Please be true. For as much as I love my F13 M6, the V10 in my old one was just special. I would love to see another Rev happy 10 cylinder in an Mcar.

[MSportDC]

Originally Posted by Matski

I can see a V10 happening, I could even just about see a naturally aspirated one happen.

Yes turbo-charging is being used now to get the required output vs. economy/emissions, but --- if you put less load on the engine in the first place, then you'll cut the emissions and consumption anyway, and pushing forward with things like project-i is ABSOLUTELY about this idea... a hybrid supplimented system requires less effort from the engine, and lighter body (this will be a G-series engine, not the partially lighter F-series) will require less effort from the engine.

The Fleet average required to meet legislation is being maintained by these new smaller three cylinder vehicles so many here like to bitch about. So the next gen M engines can perhaps afford to distance themselves from the core range a little more again.

This is the future people, don't judge it by the S85, that tech is probably 20 years old by the time a next-gen V10 hits the market.

Will it definitely happen... I don't know, but you have to think that all the development and ground work BMW has been doing with project-i is going to start to pay dividends once this transitional phase is over. E is the past, F is the transitional phase, G is the future... and the future could be a smaller displacement 400hp V10, with 150hp of power on tap from e-motors, in a car that weighs somewhere between an E39 M5 and an E60 M5.


As for the X1M, M engineers then I assume will be doing what they can with the UKL platform... interesting.

Finally a response with some thought put into it. I am hoping that this is the case and M division has been planning all along to knock it out of the park with the G gen.

[Blindside_137]

I'll believe it when I see it.

Wasn't there just an article hinting that BMW is leaning towards a 4 cylinder next gen M3? I seriously doubt engines will be gaining cylinders. I'd love to be proven wrong however. Time will tell.

[clar]

Originally Posted by Blindside_137

I'll believe it when I see it.

Wasn't there just an article hinting that BMW is leaning towards a 4 cylinder next gen M3? I seriously doubt engines will be gaining cylinders. I'd love to be proven wrong however. Time will tell.

That is not going to happen. USA, BMW's largest market doesn't take too well to 4 cylinder configurations!