Stock dyno numbers for Comp Package

[Below Speed Limit]

What is the final consensus for stock comp package's dyno numbers? I have seen 525-550 whp and ~500 torque for the stock car, is comp package simply 15 hp higher?

[///SAL]

Originally Posted by Below Speed Limit

What is the final consensus for stock comp package's dyno numbers? I have seen 525-550 whp and ~500 torque for the stock car, is comp package simply 15 hp higher?

I would love to see results, especially 0 to 60

[Below Speed Limit]

Anyone? Nobody dyno'ed a comp package M5/M6?

[catpat8000]

Originally Posted by Below Speed Limit

Anyone? Nobody dyno'ed a comp package M5/M6?

My understanding was the comp package increased the rpm at which max torque was reached by 250 rpm, resulting in 15 more HP and doesn't increase turbo boost. So my guess would be that comp package is only a small number of ponies larger.

The M5 in general seems to dyno higher than one would expect, based on factory ratings. On the M3 board, Regular_Guy tracks M3 dyno results in a database and we've calculated numbers based on a large number of samples. I haven't seen anything done for the M5 but maybe there is?

Pat

[Below Speed Limit]

Originally Posted by catpat8000

My understanding was the comp package increased the rpm at which max torque was reached by 250 rpm, resulting in 15 more HP and doesn't increase turbo boost. So my guess would be that comp package is only a small number of ponies larger.

The M5 in general seems to dyno higher than one would expect, based on factory ratings. On the M3 board, Regular_Guy tracks M3 dyno results in a database and we've calculated numbers based on a large number of samples. I haven't seen anything done for the M5 but maybe there is?

Pat

I thought comp package provides 15hp gain AND longer RPM band for the peak torque. I thought the two were different and I thought the extra 15hp is available even in low RPM. But maybe someone else can confirm? I don't think you have to rev past 6250RPM to use the extra 15hp.

[gmd2003]

Originally Posted by Below Speed Limit

Anyone? Nobody dyno'ed a comp package M5/M6?

The variance in dyno numbers from dyno to dyno , conditions etc , makes a ton of noise . We have seen 550- 560's whp on a dynojet for stock CP , with around 490-500 wtq . The telling difference is the CP cars actually make more HP after 7k rpm unlike the regular car . I own a CP M6 and this makes it very fast . My car did 3.8 0-60 ( traction limited) and 11.6 @ 127mph by Vbox stock . I have attached another members M6 CP stock dyno .

[Below Speed Limit]

Holy ****. That is like 660hp and 580 ft/lb torque. No wonder this car can pull 2 car lengths on E63 AMG-S after 60mph and can do 1/4 mile faster than Z06/ZR1. That power is just enormous.

Can you explain if the HP difference is very obvious with the CP? Makes my wait even more difficult!

[gmd2003]

Originally Posted by Below Speed Limit

I thought comp package provides 15hp gain AND longer RPM band for the peak torque. I thought the two were different and I thought the extra 15hp is available even in low RPM. But maybe someone else can confirm? I don't think you have to rev past 6250RPM to use the extra 15hp.

The CP seems to make a bit more tq than the standard car , but it def holds a much higher percentage of it to redline . This gives the car a great feel as it pulls hard to redline , and actually continues to make more power all the way to 7100 rpm . Whatever the hp delta ( more like 20-30 whp) , the massive difference in engine feel is what makes it a must for me .

[JOHNBMWM5]

Originally Posted by Below Speed Limit

Holy ****. That is like 660hp and 580 ft/lb torque. No wonder this car can pull 2 car lengths on E63 AMG-S after 60mph and can do 1/4 mile faster than Z06/ZR1. That power is just enormous.

Can you explain if the HP difference is very obvious with the CP? Makes my wait even more difficult!

You can't tell the difference in anything but flat out blasting, wast of money IMO.

[gmd2003]

Originally Posted by JOHNBMWM5

You can't tell the difference in anything but flat out blasting, wast of money IMO.

I personally have driven both and the awesome change in power delivery is only one part of the package. It is worth it alone for the steering changes , not to mention the different , dampers , springs , sway bars, different MDM programming , free 343 wheel upgrade ( I didn't want the CP cast wheels ), and CP exhaust . It all adds up to a Major change in how the car handles and feels on the street as well as on the track or all out blasting lol . Hell of a better deal than the B&O or exec pack , but to each their own .

[soooma]

Originally Posted by gmd2003

I personally have driven both and the awesome change in power delivery is only one part of the package. It is worth it alone for the steering changes , not to mention the different , dampers , springs , sway bars, different MDM programming , free 343 wheel upgrade ( I didn't want the CP cast wheels ), and CP exhaust . It all adds up to a Major change in how the car handles and feels on the street as well as on the track or all out blasting lol . Hell of a better deal than the B&O or exec pack , but to each their own .

Better than B&O sure and I have it
But better than Exec No way -
I wouldn't drive this car without exec. period
So exec then anything else. .. Because car is so fun without CP anyway and you get probably 10% extra if that much Track fun but Day to Day EXEC is a lot more than 10% feedback -
B&O is nice but sure can live without it... As I am without Driver Assistance and rarely miss it..

[bigfra]

Originally Posted by JOHNBMWM5

You can't tell the difference in anything but flat out blasting, wast of money IMO.

So you didn't spec the comp pack eh ??

[JOHNBMWM5]

Originally Posted by bigfra

So you didn't spec the comp pack eh ??

Nope.

[Dionysus]

Originally Posted by gmd2003

free 343 wheel upgrade ( I didn't want the CP cast wheels

Upgrade to 343s with CP not free in all markets (which makes sense if forged v's cast).

An M5 with CP is comfortable, but occasionally firm on some surfaces - I'd image an M6GC with CP is just about the prefect ride/handling balance in this sort of car (with the added benefit of lower CoG, more so with the CF roof).

[catpat8000]

Originally Posted by Below Speed Limit

I thought comp package provides 15hp gain AND longer RPM band for the peak torque. I thought the two were different and I thought the extra 15hp is available even in low RPM. But maybe someone else can confirm? I don't think you have to rev past 6250RPM to use the extra 15hp.

That's incorrect. Extending the torque power band is how they get the additional HP.

[catpat8000]

Originally Posted by Below Speed Limit

Holy ****. That is like 660hp and 580 ft/lb torque. No wonder this car can pull 2 car lengths on E63 AMG-S after 60mph and can do 1/4 mile faster than Z06/ZR1. That power is just enormous.

Can you explain if the HP difference is very obvious with the CP? Makes my wait even more difficult!

The only way the M5 is pulling 2 car lengths on an E63 after 60 is if it starts racing first.

I'm telling you from personal experience with both cars and from a recent R&T article which tested them against each other: the E63 is faster 0-60, 0-100, 0-130, and in the 1/4 mile et and trap speed and it is substantially so. The M5 is an awesome car, and I own one, but it won't take the E63.

Pat

[Spinny02]

Originally Posted by catpat8000

R&T article which tested them against each other: the E63 is faster 0-60, 0-100, 0-130, and in the 1/4
Pat

R&T is a great mag but my times on the street beat their test times using a VBOX. If i had a closed track and I was a professional driver the times would be significantly better. Take what you read with a grain of salt.

[catpat8000]

Originally Posted by Spinny02

R&T is a great mag but my times on the street beat their test times using a VBOX. If i had a closed track and I was a professional driver the times would be significantly better. Take what you read with a grain of salt.

They raced the cars against each other at the same time with the same drivers. I'm not saying their times are great. I'm not saying others couldn't better them. I am saying when they tested the E63, it handed the M5 its ass on the same day with same conditions and same driver(s).

This is also my personal experience with both cars. The E63 sAMG has many problems and I no longer own mine but there is just no way the M5 is a faster accelerating car, when both are stock.

I don't understand why this would be controversial. I'm sure there other cars faster than an M5. It doesn't make the M5 less of a car. If it helps, I can identify a whole bunch of areas in which the M5 is a far better car than the E63.

Pat

[soooma]

Originally Posted by catpat8000

They raced the cars against each other at the same time with the same drivers. I'm not saying their times are great. I'm not saying others couldn't better them. I am saying when they tested the E63, it handed the M5 its ass on the same day with same conditions and same driver(s).

This is also my personal experience with both cars. The E63 sAMG has many problems and I no longer own mine but there is just no way the M5 is a faster accelerating car, when both are stock.

I don't understand why this would be controversial. I'm sure there other cars faster than an M5. It doesn't make the M5 less of a car. If it helps, I can identify a whole bunch of areas in which the M5 is a far better car than the E63.

Pat

I agree E63S Can be faster which is "Better" but that is not the whole story but rather a part of it!!
Speed is a very important aspect of a car though and I believe it will be fun to drive to but as fun I don't know and I heard "more confidence inspiring" comment which is another way of saying less challenging or us as enthusiasts less fun if you will, but I personally don't find it annoying or embarrassing if MB the company that has been making cars since late 1800's and the first car company in the world knows how to make such a good car actually playing catch up with each other is so much fun to witness and we should be thankful that we are able to savor both (Several) tastes and remember in 1948 or so MB almost bought out BMW -

But my choice was M5 because YES I am a fan but for instance I believe that Panamera Turbo S is a better car and again not offended , much more expensive car granted -
I had MB before and test drove many AMGs and many Audi S's and they just don't speak to me the way BMW M5 does and that may be this round - at least and I have zero problem swapping to another car if it speaks to me closer and its revs are on my pulse as this M5 or let me say more and looks as good and as reliable and similarly priced and till then I am keeping my M5 because I have a feeling that car will be next M5, LOL
Cheers

Vic55 was right I am so predictable -


My 2 cents

[bimmer-boy]

Originally Posted by catpat8000

They raced the cars against each other at the same time with the same drivers. I'm not saying their times are great. I'm not saying others couldn't better them. I am saying when they tested the E63, it handed the M5 its ass on the same day with same conditions and same driver(s).

This is also my personal experience with both cars. The E63 sAMG has many problems and I no longer own mine but there is just no way the M5 is a faster accelerating car, when both are stock.

I don't understand why this would be controversial. I'm sure there other cars faster than an M5. It doesn't make the M5 less of a car. If it helps, I can identify a whole bunch of areas in which the M5 is a far better car than the E63.

Pat

Lol maybe you should
Before you get lynched by the mob

Joke

[Spinny02]

Originally Posted by catpat8000

I don't understand why this would be controversial. I'm sure there other cars faster than an M5. It doesn't make the M5 less of a car. If it helps, I can identify a whole bunch of areas in which the M5 is a far better car than the E63.

Pat

Its not controversial. R&T results are sub par thats all. I have owned a handful of cars faster then the M5. No issues with a car being faster then the M5.

[soooma]

Originally Posted by Spinny02

Its not controversial. R&T results are sub par thats all. I have owned a handful of cars faster then the M5. No issues with a car being faster then the M5.

That M5?
Lost please in order with #'s -