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Sport Auto - Interview with Nitschke about the future of M, a M supercar, AWD, Hybrid
Featured on BIMMERPOST.com It contains a comparison of the M4 vs 911, a lengthy interview with ///M boss Nitschke which IMO has a lot of interesting info about their current and future philosophies and product line. On the back cover they also promise us the M5 CP Supertest that originally was supposed to be published two issues ago... I have translated the interview, partly via Google translate, but since that presently translates into a odd version of English I have manually translated most of the text as well. It's not perfect English in any way, and not how I would have written it myself. But time constraints made me cut some compromises and partly use the Google text as a base...(took me 2 hours) So here goes: Quote:
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Did anyone get that part about Active Sound Design with outdoor speakers? Did M GmbH really consider that? WTH? One thing to play some sound inside the car...another thing entirely to be using fake exhaust notes to the world.
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Thanks, great info!!
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I found this a little disappointing from M to be honest. It sounds a bit like they are resting on their laurels and doing the obvious things.
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Personally I would never buy a car with a naturally aspirated engine ever again. I would like to see either dual charging or turbo hybrids. However from this article it seems M isn't pursuing either of these in the near term.
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Thank you so much for the taking the time and sharing this with us.
Seems like allot of the prior rumors are going to hold true. Turbos here to stay No more NA large displacement engines Future hybrid power RWD M3/M4 AWD option for M5/M6 I think what sets BMW apart and what was commented on in the above discussion is early and smooth flat torque curves combined with high revving (Turbo) engines. This along with the DCT for me have been a big improvement compared to the Merc CLS AMG biturbo I recently had. The transmission was horrible and although by the numbers it had more torque it felt the car just wanted to quit above 5000-5500 RPMs |
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thank god no FWD M, and AWD for the M5 is only optional not mandatory ... and the manual still lives on... Some good news... Now the question is, how will the next M5 turn out to be.
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Here is the Porsche side of similar story (this will increase the 997.2 GT prices again I think):
http://www.windingroad.com/articles/...-are-numbered/ NA engines are really dying, turbo and electric combinations will probably overtake all. |
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However, you also have to admit that: Naturally aspirated engines have better exhaust sound (stock for stock) and mostly higher redlines compared to turbo engines. There are many examples of this out there.......such as the difference between the stock exhaust of a Ferrari 458 versus the new California T (with many commenting that it's the least exciting engine sound that Ferrari has come up with). Or a Lexus RC F versus M3/M4 (because NA V8 still sounds better than an inline-six turbo)..........and the only to compensate is to purchase/install a better exhaust system......either through aftermarket exhaust or the BMW M Performance Exhaust System.............because sound-wise, the exhaust note of the basic stock exhaust system is just not going to cut it..... With that said, it's not just limited to road cars........but even in Formula 1 racing: We've had full natural aspiration of V8, V10 and V12 engines in the past. NOW, we're stuck with these horrible sounding turbo six units that are GOD AWFUL and sound like frigging lawnmowers. It's gotten so bad to the point that GP2 cars (with their NA V8 engines) sound even more exciting than the 2014 F1 cars. Yes, no joke. Point is: NA still sounds better than turbo (e.g. factory stock settings) Last edited by Blackraven; 10-24-2014 at 04:31 AM.. |
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The Jag F-Type R Coupe I just bought has the best V8 exhaust note I have ever heard from its forced induction supercharged engine which really delivers on the performance aspect too. I was following a straight piped active autowerkes F10 M5 last year and i couldn't believe how loud it was. I could hear him loudly 10 car lengths away through my well insulated M5 cabin. It sounded louder than a stock NA 458.
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IMO, we have to accept that some of the old school raw and mechanical feel that cars used to have, has disapeared. Just like how cars with purely mechanical steering usually has much better steering feel than any power assisted (hydraulic or electrical) steering ever will have... So, even the cars you reference have had predecessors that had even "better" qualities in some areas Last edited by Boss330; 10-24-2014 at 08:29 AM.. |
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I too am disappointed by this news. Surely if Chevy can still develop a pushrod NA V8, why can't BMW innovate to meet strict emission requirements using the same formula? |
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I am actually also a great fan of the NA engine, especially the BMW I6 engine The response and sound of a good NA engine is a huge plus. And the sound of a Ferrari F12 or 911 GT3 is so much nicer than a McLaren P1 or 911 Turbo As regards emissions, that is a quite complex issue. But EU and the US has different policies regarding CO2 emissions and fleet averages. BMW, as a European manufacturer, has to meet a very strict fleet average CO2 level. As a independent manufacturer, BMW doesn't have a large fleet to offset the effects of the ///M divisions CO2 emissions. And it also has Rolls Royce in it's fleet, which doesn't exactly help to lower CO2... So every division of BMW has to meet strict emissions reductions in order for BMW to avoid fines for each vehicle they sell... For Porsche, as part of the VAG fleet, the 911 GT3 makes a allmost un-noticeable effect on fleet CO2 emissions. But, ///M division actually makes a noticeable impact on the BMW fleet CO2... |
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Do BMW not realise that there is a market for a supercar. people would buy it.. I find it stupid that they won't make one. Yes the i8s is coming but its not from M. Just wish they would give it to the M division and throw a V10 in it. Then it would really be a special supercar.
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