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      08-15-2009, 08:10 PM   #1
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Thumbs up F10 M5 being tested with both V8 and V10 engines

Though no more cosmetically revealing, these photos show two F10 M5's in testing of both a V8 and V10 engine!

This is revealed to us by Scott26/7. However, which engine it will receive is not yet known. What a beast of a car this will be, regardless of which engine is chosen.

And some info from mapezzul on the V10 vs. V8 decision process:
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Having personally spoken to the engineers on this project (F10 M5), they are currently (and have been) exploring the V10 and V8 routes for this vehicle. Here is an inside tip- if the German "clause" in the US emissions rules goes into effect it may be a V10- if not we will see a TT V8, to deal with the emissions issues. They can get performance of the V8 up there but from a marketing standpoint the V10 is a kick in the pants of other brands. The V10 will be smaller in displacement than the current engine and be turbo charged as well, featuring a trick induction system similar to the CCM on the X5/X6 ///M.
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      08-15-2009, 08:27 PM   #2
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Can't see why they would bother with a V8?
Current M5 is a V10, and current M3 is a V8
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V8? how did they find out the engine? did they open up the hood and looked inside? I thought those test drivers are pretty sensitive about you poking around with their car.

anyway, what's with the tail light? Ferrari?
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Can't see why they would bother with a V8?
Current M5 is a V10, and current M3 is a V8
twin turbo v8 maybe?
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How do they know that it is V8 and V10? Two V8? Two V10?
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something tells me the new M5 won't live up to its predecessor
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550 is not a TT
V10 does sound nearly as good as v8.
TTV8 will brings TONS of torque and power, more than enough... and emissions will be manageable

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A V10 is special, and an M car should be special IMO. If they put a V8TT, how is that any different from a regular 550i V8TT? A software flash and you have the same amount of power in a 550i...
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something tells me the new M5 won't live up to its predecessor
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this m5 will kick major ass
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      08-15-2009, 10:09 PM   #13
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No offense to e92 M3 owners, but if the new M5 is as unspectacular as the current M3 is...I for one will be extremely disappointed. The new M5 will most likely be heavier than the e60, and if they don't give it a significant HP bump it's going to be plagued by the same lackluster performance compared to the non-M TT cars that BMW is offering.

Getting the torque required to move a heavy sedan while still undercutting the EPA regulations is going to get harder and harder with naturally aspirated engines. These cars are going to continue to be packed full of more and more technology and weight. I am a huge fan of the V10 E60 M5, but things have to change...and if going boosted is the answer to a faster car with better gas mileage and less weight, then so be it.

I will be surprised if the new M5 is going to be an N/A V10. In order to make it faster than the E60 it is going to need quite a bit more power, which means larger displacement and more gas needed for a reliable road car. I can see a V10TT, or even a V8TT. Only time will tell!
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      08-15-2009, 10:11 PM   #14
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No offense to e92 M3 owners, but if the new M5 is as unspectacular as the current M3 is...I for one will be extremely disappointed. The new M5 will most likely be heavier than the e60, and if they don't give it a significant HP bump it's going to be plagued by the same lackluster performance compared to the non-M TT cars that BMW is offering.

Getting the torque required to move a heavy sedan while still undercutting the EPA regulations is going to get harder and harder with naturally aspirated engines. These cars are going to continue to be packed full of more and more technology and weight. I am a huge fan of the V10 E60 M5, but things have to change...and if going boosted is the answer to a faster car with better gas mileage and less weight, then so be it.

I will be surprised if the new M5 is going to be an N/A V10. In order to make it faster than the E60 it is going to need quite a bit more power, which means larger displacement and more gas needed for a reliable road car. I can see a V10TT, or even a V8TT. Only time will tell!
Well the F10 5er is going to infact be lighter then the E60 and something tells me the M5 will pack proportionatly more light weight materials then the standard F10 5er so that means the M5 should be a good amount lighter then the E60 M5. How do I know this? Well the director of BMW M said so He said basicly the focus has completly shifted away from larger displacement and moved toward integrating Efficient Dynamics into the M cars. He directly said they would use more light weight materials on the car including composite plastics and metals as well as carbon fibre. So I would expect a much lighter M5 as compared to the current car.

As for the engine, I'm sure they are leaning towards the TT V8 route as the X cars are using and have been getting high praise for that engine. But I think BMW M is very selective of engine and drivetrain combinations so they would be willing to give up efficiency for a better overal performance of the car and these real world tests and data will ultimatly choose which engine combination they go with.
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550 is not a TT
V10 does sound nearly as good as v8.
TTV8 will brings TONS of torque and power, more than enough... and emissions will be manageable
New 550 will be TT, same engine as the current X6 V8.......this has been confirmed and talked about for a loooooong time now......
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A V10 is special, and an M car should be special IMO. If they put a V8TT, how is that any different from a regular 550i V8TT? A software flash and you have the same amount of power in a 550i...
very true! But software flash the TT V8 outa the X5/6M and that 555 would become a whole different creature... 700 maybe?
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most of these posts, especially the one that says something about the current e9x M3 being "unspectacular."

sounds like someone is angry he could only afford a 135i...

The next M5 will be awesome, the e60 M5 will always be awesome as well. Though I almost purchased an e90 M3, I decided to hold out, but I can assure you "unspectacular" is not an adjective that most people whom have actually driven an e9x M3 would use to describe it.

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Call me clueless but why 'bin' the V10 for the M5 and put it into the next gen 5er?

OK, all the development costs on tbe V10 are now 'sunk', but to move the V10 into the mainstream would defeat BMW AG's new strategic 'green' direction - no?
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S65 V8 unspectacular? Hmmm...

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I decided to hold out, but I can assure you "unspectacular" is not an adjective that most people whom have actually driven an e9x M3 would use to describe it.

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That's OK. "Unspectacular" I surmise refers to the linear torque - less kick-in-the-arse feel. Next gen will be TT 6 to meet this perception.

Meanwhile, current buyers will enjoy their Landhut F1-derived with 8 individual butterfly hi-rev V8s. If not this engine, then a Ferrari V8.

I like "Evo", said it better than me:

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Still, if you’re going to burn fossil fuels there are few more deserving recipients than this searing motor. Beating to the frenzied rhythm of F1, every gear presents you with the opportunity to enjoy a seamless, savage surge from tickover to the red line. This is a 4-litre V8 that spins with the hunger and ferocity of Honda’s finest four-cylinder VTEC units and shades both Audi and Mercedes-Benz’s highly rated normally-aspirated V8s for instant throttle response and sheer appetite for revs.

To be completely honest it won’t be until the second day of our test that I get into the habit of regularly extending the M3’s engine beyond 8000rpm, for it really doesn’t seem possible that a 3-series Bee Em will rev like a mid-engined Ferrari. In truth it feels plenty quick enough if you shift up at around 7500rpm. However, its only when you’ve felt the intoxicating rush continue for another 900 blissful revolutions can you claim to have experienced the V8 M3 in all its glory, as it takes this high-performance icon to an altogether different level.

How often you’d work it this hard is debatable, but, in those situations where you can [rev], it makes this car very special indeed.
So, this V8 is likely "unspectacular" unless worked like a GT2 car's; and also why BMW AG will shift to TT to give punters what they crave.

Meanwhile, I will love the NA V8.
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