New F10 M5 and Ceramic Brakes

[mrkhanna16]

The new M5 is supposed to have ceramic brakes as an option according to many insiders. Will this be covered under the maintenance program that BMW offers. If it is not, than that option can become very very pricey.
-discuss

[1sikbmr]

I don't see why it wouldn't because you are paying the price to upgrade...

[MVF4Rrider]

Originally Posted by mrkhanna16

The new M5 is supposed to have ceramic brakes as an option according to many insiders. Will this be covered under the maintenance program that BMW offers. If it is not, than that option can become very very pricey.
-discuss

Audi has had ceramic brakes in the S line up for years. They last 4 times longer than conventional. They'll easily outlast the maintenance period, and probably beyond the car's first owner.

[elp_jc]

Originally Posted by MVF4Rrider

They last 4 times longer than conventional. They'll easily outlast the maintenance period, and probably beyond the car's first owner.

The rotors maybe, but not the pads . To give you the only reference I have, the regular pads (per axle) for the Ferrari F430 cost $288, vs $2,000 for the CCBs. And people who track these cars say they're crap for the track, since they're not for racing. Most owners tracking their cars replace them with Brembo steel rotors and pads, and put away the CCBs for resale. Seems like a pricey option just for bragging rights, since good CCBs are crap on the streets (don't heat enough), plus squeal like crazy.

[MVF4Rrider]

Originally Posted by elp_jc

The rotors maybe, but not the pads . To give you the only reference I have, the regular pads (per axle) for the Ferrari F430 cost $288, vs $2,000 for the CCBs. And people who track these cars say they're crap for the track, since they're not for racing. Most owners tracking their cars replace them with Brembo steel rotors and pads, and put away the CCBs for resale. Seems like a pricey option just for bragging rights, since good CCBs are crap on the streets (don't heat enough), plus squeal like crazy.

I've heard of a few people doing that, but I'd say fallacy of small sample. Usually the reason to not track them has more to do with parts replacement cost in case of a shunt. Mov'it claims much higher braking power in their setup, and with the massive weight loss you can get far better cornering. I wouldn't discount the value of them as simply aesthetics or bragging rights. Too pricey for me though.

[aus]

Porsche guys are suppose to use different pads for the track. When they don't, it results in premature rotor failure, which is $$$$. The guys who do use track pads seem to have no issues with early rotor failure.

[kaykay]

They will be covered under warranty, of course not including abuse and negligence.

Pads are 5x more expensive like some mentioned.

Most people I know with CCB's bought them because they're loaded and an extra $8-10k for brakes isn't a big deal for them. CCB's are best used on a track during high load conditions, they have to heat up in order to get the best performance out of them. If you don't heat them up, they squeak like CRAZY (my buddy's SLR is the most annoying car on the road when he drives it cold CCBs and another friends brand new 997.2 Turbo with PCCBs is squeaking all the time too. He has no idea why he bought them, he claims the "calipers looked nice").

For non-track race a BBK or regular M brakes are more than enough. CCB's are totally unnecessary on the street IMO.

SIDE NOTE: Lieutenant Colonel, 1500 posts. NICE!!!

[elp_jc]

Originally Posted by kaykay

SIDE NOTE: Lieutenant Colonel, 1500 posts. NICE!!!

Damn, I was going to say I may never catch you, but that was before checking my count; I already have more than twice that . Geez, I spend too much time here . Well, at least it's a lot less lately .

[FStop7]

IMO this has more to do with weight than max track performance. The new M5 is gonna be heavy and it will need brakes that can repeatedly bring that weight under control without burning up.

[Radiation Joe]

I can change pads for track days. What really excites me about this is the >10 lbs per corner weight savings.

40 lbs of unsprung weight removed is a somewhat noticable difference.

[Gearhead999s]

Originally Posted by Radiation Joe

I can change pads for track days. What really excites me about this is the >10 lbs per corner weight savings.

40 lbs of unsprung weight removed is a somewhat noticable difference.

40 lbs of rotational mass is huge!I have a friend who has a GT3 with the ceramic brakes and he has done over 25 trackdays with only 1 pad change just recently and he is not slow!The car is also used by his kids so it is on the track a lot

[saeedg48]

Originally Posted by mrkhanna16

The new M5 is supposed to have ceramic brakes as an option according to many insiders. Will this be covered under the maintenance program that BMW offers. If it is not, than that option can become very very pricey.
-discuss

very very pricey? you mean pricy..

[AngelinIsRich08]

The Lamborghini Gallardo has ceramic brakes and apparently they're too catchy and not that good. I'd pass.

[rbk1115]

Awesome news!

[IFX]

it will save weight, but for the cost of them.. i don't think it's worth it. (If you track)

Steel rotors still get used for the real track users.

[Quattro98]

I wonder what pads Ferrari uses. The Porsche pads are made by Pagid & are rumored to be standard compounds: street=P40=RS14 & track=P50=RS15. Some people also use the Pagid RS19/RS29 which were apparently the OEM Porsche compound on their first generation ceramic brakes & could chunk if overheated.

[mdh]

Originally Posted by Radiation Joe

I can change pads for track days. What really excites me about this is the >10 lbs per corner weight savings.

40 lbs of unsprung weight removed is a somewhat noticable difference.

The F10 rotor hats will be aluminum, so my guess is they will be pretty light for steel rotors.

I just don't understand the logic behind paying for ceramic brakes. I know a lot of racers (race a Porsche myself), and nobody uses ceramic brakes. Nobody. So why would you need ceramic brakes on a street car? I just don't understand the reason that you would want them on the M5.

[Snake Plissken]

As far as I can tell the verdict is still out whether or not on ceramic brakes are a good investment. I don't really care about which ones last longer, I just want to know which are going to give me better breaking performance, on or off the track.

[Ateam]

Originally Posted by Gearhead999s

40 lbs of rotational mass is huge!I have a friend who has a GT3 with the ceramic brakes and he has done over 25 trackdays with only 1 pad change just recently and he is not slow!The car is also used by his kids so it is on the track a lot

Its actually not rotating mass, it is unsprung mass in this case. Wheels/tires for example are rotating and unsprung. Flywheel or drive shaft is rotating but not unsprung. That is why light wheels/tires are the best performance upgrade for cars for the money (aside from FI tunes). Nevertheless it still is good for handling/ cornering and overall weight loss. Does not do much for acceleration other than being lighter by 40 pounds.

[SANguru]

Originally Posted by elp_jc

The rotors maybe, but not the pads . To give you the only reference I have, the regular pads (per axle) for the Ferrari F430 cost $288, vs $2,000 for the CCBs. And people who track these cars say they're crap for the track, since they're not for racing. Most owners tracking their cars replace them with Brembo steel rotors and pads, and put away the CCBs for resale. Seems like a pricey option just for bragging rights, since good CCBs are crap on the streets (don't heat enough), plus squeal like crazy.

not sure where you got that info. 11 track days on my F430 with carbon ceramic brakes on stock pads. 86% left on pad and rotors and I run the car pretty hard and a couple sessions on race tires. Same thing with my old Challenge Stradale.