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      03-25-2011, 11:52 PM   #45
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I take it you drive automatic Ms. Wasn't being immature, just stating my opinion. Ms were not made to maximize BMW profit, but to serve as the ultimate driving machine. They used to come only in stick, and got way more respect for that back then IMO. If BMW wants to make them in auto as well, whatever I guess, but this convo is about BMW POSSIBLY making the new M5 in manual. The real convo should be, should we even make it in auto...
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Frankly I don't get it either.. I am shocked its not an option globally because I think penetration would be that much higher. I can ship you one
I wish I could get one shipped, but import duties would be a killer.
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      03-26-2011, 08:42 AM   #47
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"We offer the auto only because it is 0.001 Seconds faster per shift"
- news of MT is a welcome surprise.
Just when I thought the MT was fading away..

I have to think that internet complaining was not the cause of this change - did BMW notice a drop in sales of the auto-only e60 M5? Or are they concerned with brand image? Because I don't believe there is an AUDI or Mercedes competitor that will offer MT - or maybe thats what they want - to own this market.
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In a world of
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- news of MT is a welcome surprise.
Just when I thought the MT was fading away..
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Ferrari no longer make manuals, and a big car like an M5 a manual box just hampers driving esp. at speed.
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Ferrari no longer make manuals, and a big car like an M5 a manual box just hampers driving esp. at speed.
I have no doubt that Ferrari makes outstanding racecars, but making world records on the Ring is not everyones goal.

The only thing that "hampers driving experience" is the inability to be involved in it.
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Ferrari no longer make manuals, and a big car like an M5 a manual box just hampers driving esp. at speed.
I have no doubt that Ferrari makes outstanding racecars, but making world records on the Ring is not everyones goal.

The only thing that "hampers driving experience" is the inability to be involved in it.
1 and boo to Ferrari. Who wants an automatic Ferrari? what's happening to this world? Those new Maserati Granturismos are so hot but only come in auto, WTF?
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And only less than 10% buyers will opt for it... BMW is getting sick of offering it, and no one buying them.
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Apparently the last M5 manual, also US only, was a dog and slower than the SMG as well. Americans, be careful what you wish for cos you might just get it.
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This.

I know there are many who have stated that they prefer manuals, and that is your perogative. Maybe a poll can be added to this thread. Question: For those actually seriously considering the F10 M5 would you choose MT or DCT?

The sales were poor for the E60 and the MT had issues. The handful of "enthusiasts" that asked for this car doesn't necessarily mean it should have happened.

If I end up with the M5 it will certainly be a DCT.

BTW, to those discussing the 458. I drove it on the track a couple months ago. It is plenty engaging with the paddles. Most driver's wouldn't be capable of handling it with the third peddle involved.
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"A manual transmission will again be available for the M5 - but for the US market only where operating a manual gearbox is still not considered troublesome."


I'm sorry. But does anyone else find this quote odd?
And turbospec. This quote is fracked! The US market is better placed for the manual gear box? I am no pro but thought the states were crap at stick shitf.
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I take it you drive automatic Ms. Wasn't being immature, just stating my opinion. Ms were not made to maximize BMW profit, but to serve as the ultimate driving machine. They used to come only in stick, and got way more respect for that back then IMO. If BMW wants to make them in auto as well, whatever I guess, but this convo is about BMW POSSIBLY making the new M5 in manual. The real convo should be, should we even make it in auto...
No.

#1) i have a 325i Steptronic and an old 328is manual...

#2) If it's being made in Manual and thats what you want... who cares if its made in automatic. The option of it coming in Auto is irrelevant to you since you will opt for the M/T. Be happy.

According to you, anyone who likes automatic should go buy a benz. So in order to buy a BMW I have to like Manual transmission... thats stupid.
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This.

I know there are many who have stated that they prefer manuals, and that is your perogative. Maybe a poll can be added to this thread. Question: For those actually seriously considering the F10 M5 would you choose MT or DCT?
The poll doesn't matter because this website is not a true population of M5 buyers to begin with.

And BMW has done its own poll already - the sales of the e60 M5 MT, which if this announcement is any proof (and I believe it is) must have been at least decent.

Besides, why are you so concerned with BMW turning the maximum profit? Or are you just afraid your dream M5 will be on the dealer lot offered in a transmission you are not capable of driving?
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The poll doesn't matter because this website is not a true population of M5 buyers to begin with.

And BMW has done its own poll already - the sales of the e60 M5 MT, which if this announcement is any proof (and I believe it is) must have been at least decent.

Besides, why are you so concerned with BMW turning the maximum profit? Or are you just afraid your dream M5 will be on the dealer lot offered in a transmission you are not capable of driving?
Some of us here actually buy the cars we talk about. Why would I buy an M5 off the lot? Euro-delivery if I decide on it. Hardly a "dream" car. Nice sedan that does well in it's class. I would choose the DCT, not because I can't handle a MT, but because in a luxo barge like the M5 it isn't necessary.

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The poll doesn't matter because this website is not a true population of M5 buyers to begin with.

And BMW has done its own poll already - the sales of the e60 M5 MT, which if this announcement is any proof (and I believe it is) must have been at least decent.

Besides, why are you so concerned with BMW turning the maximum profit? Or are you just afraid your dream M5 will be on the dealer lot offered in a transmission you are not capable of driving?
From my personal experience, when BMW launched the the 6MT in 2007 it wasn't nearly as hot as they'd anticipated. I was able to get an E60 M5 6MT for a ridiculous price (which had been sitting on the dealer's lot for 6 mos).

I enjoyed the 6MT for sure but when it was time to get an M3... it was DCT all the way. The 6MT in the M5 was too clunky...not as smooth as I'd hope. Perhaps they've changed it in the upcoming model.
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      03-31-2011, 04:50 PM   #61
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From my personal experience, when BMW launched the the 6MT in 2007 it wasn't nearly as hot as they'd anticipated. I was able to get an E60 M5 6MT for a ridiculous price (which had been sitting on the dealer's lot for 6 mos).

I enjoyed the 6MT for sure but when it was time to get an M3... it was DCT all the way. The 6MT in the M5 was too clunky...not as smooth as I'd hope. Perhaps they've changed it in the upcoming model.
I'd be curious to see if they upgrade from the ZF 6-MT. The SMG is a pain at times, but I seem to recall there were significant issues with the 6-MT when it was originally released at is overheated, and was not able to handle the HP/torque from the V10.
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No.

According to you, anyone who likes automatic should go buy a benz. So in order to buy a BMW I have to like Manual transmission... thats stupid.
Not in order to by a BMW but an //M car, yes. All //M cars should be manual only, they are all top sports versions in there class. If riding out a traffic jam is enough to keep you away from a manual you may be looking into the wrong cars.

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If this is true, looks like I will have to add the M5 to my stable of 3 pedal cars

Ok.. That would be insane. One will have to go

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