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New F10 M5 and Ceramic Brakes
The new M5 is supposed to have ceramic brakes as an option according to many insiders. Will this be covered under the maintenance program that BMW offers. If it is not, than that option can become very very pricey.
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I don't see why it wouldn't because you are paying the price to upgrade...
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Audi has had ceramic brakes in the S line up for years. They last 4 times longer than conventional. They'll easily outlast the maintenance period, and probably beyond the car's first owner.
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Porsche guys are suppose to use different pads for the track. When they don't, it results in premature rotor failure, which is $$$$. The guys who do use track pads seem to have no issues with early rotor failure.
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They will be covered under warranty, of course not including abuse and negligence.
Pads are 5x more expensive like some mentioned. Most people I know with CCB's bought them because they're loaded and an extra $8-10k for brakes isn't a big deal for them. CCB's are best used on a track during high load conditions, they have to heat up in order to get the best performance out of them. If you don't heat them up, they squeak like CRAZY (my buddy's SLR is the most annoying car on the road when he drives it cold CCBs and another friends brand new 997.2 Turbo with PCCBs is squeaking all the time too. He has no idea why he bought them, he claims the "calipers looked nice"). For non-track race a BBK or regular M brakes are more than enough. CCB's are totally unnecessary on the street IMO. SIDE NOTE: Lieutenant Colonel, 1500 posts. NICE!!! ![]()
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IMO this has more to do with weight than max track performance. The new M5 is gonna be heavy and it will need brakes that can repeatedly bring that weight under control without burning up.
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I can change pads for track days. What really excites me about this is the >10 lbs per corner weight savings.
40 lbs of unsprung weight removed is a somewhat noticable difference.
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I wonder what pads Ferrari uses. The Porsche pads are made by Pagid & are rumored to be standard compounds: street=P40=RS14 & track=P50=RS15. Some people also use the Pagid RS19/RS29 which were apparently the OEM Porsche compound on their first generation ceramic brakes & could chunk if overheated.
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I just don't understand the logic behind paying for ceramic brakes. I know a lot of racers (race a Porsche myself), and nobody uses ceramic brakes. Nobody. So why would you need ceramic brakes on a street car? I just don't understand the reason that you would want them on the M5. |
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As far as I can tell the verdict is still out whether or not on ceramic brakes are a good investment. I don't really care about which ones last longer, I just want to know which are going to give me better breaking performance, on or off the track.
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Its actually not rotating mass, it is unsprung mass in this case. Wheels/tires for example are rotating and unsprung. Flywheel or drive shaft is rotating but not unsprung. That is why light wheels/tires are the best performance upgrade for cars for the money (aside from FI tunes). Nevertheless it still is good for handling/ cornering and overall weight loss. Does not do much for acceleration other than being lighter by 40 pounds.
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