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      06-14-2011, 07:51 AM   #45
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at the beginning all complain about not having a manual option in m cars, but now, most seem to be rejecting the idea of a manual m5, what happened?
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      06-14-2011, 08:04 AM   #46
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Maybe this sounds crazy but as another mentioned what if it is a 7speed manual. I heard that porsche was going to implement this, maybe BMW will too and that's why the shifter is in camo???
It's been widely reported that the new 911, due next year, will have a 7-speed MT. Should be an interesting shift pattern . . .

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      06-14-2011, 09:01 AM   #47
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Not to go too off topic but I find some of the comments on that blog interesting. Some say they would prefer to buy a GTR or Audi R8 for $100K..
To each their own but this M5 would slaughter an R8 and after that, you can take your family for a nice long road trip (with luggage)

BMW giving the option for manual or Auto in this category is perfect. There are still customers out there that would prefer a manual
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      06-14-2011, 10:54 AM   #48
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at the beginning all complain about not having a manual option in m cars, but now, most seem to be rejecting the idea of a manual m5, what happened?
just a bunch of bitter forum members because there is a chance they see their dream M5 but it is in a transmission they don't care for.
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at the beginning all complain about not having a manual option in m cars, but now, most seem to be rejecting the idea of a manual m5, what happened?
The same thing when people were hating on the 1M saying it would never fit the "M" label...until they saw what it could really do. When people don't know how things are going to play out, it's easy to be negative. Hey, maybe a MT would be a bad fit but I'm willing to bet that everyone will change their tune once they see a very good review of the M5 w/ MT.
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Maybe this sounds crazy but as another mentioned what if it is a 7speed manual. I heard that porsche was going to implement this, maybe BMW will too and that's why the shifter is in camo???
It's been widely reported that the new 911, due next year, will have a 7-speed MT. Should be an interesting shift pattern . . .

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Why not go for a 10 speed with a range switch like a big rig. 12345 flick switch start over 6789 10.

A choice is always good but it seems that only journalist want a 6mt. The average guy with 100k will opt for the dct
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Why not go for a 10 speed with a range switch like a big rig. 12345 flick switch start over 6789 10.

A choice is always good but it seems that only journalist want a 6mt. The average guy with 100k will opt for the dct
BMW is clearly not trying to optimize market coverage of the "average guy", they are looking to capitalize on a niche market and at the same time establish themselves as the enthusiast's car company

How can the people of an online enthusiast community disagree with BMW's MT offering? - or are you seriously concerned about BMW's high-risk investment?
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It's good that both options are available. That means more sales for BMW which equals more money to be put into R&D for future cars or existing cars that are in the pipeline.

Me personally, I would not get this car in M/T because it is a cruiser not really a "sports car".
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      06-14-2011, 02:30 PM   #53
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How can the people of an online enthusiast community disagree with BMW's MT offering? - or are you seriously concerned about BMW's high-risk investment?
I don't necessarily disagree with it, but I do wish that the market would settle on one transmission. I would prefer that to be a DCT-type, but even if it were a traditional automatic I would be ok with it if it meant freeing up more resources to spend on other areas - specifically weight loss and efficient naturally aspirated engines. Same thing goes for AWD which will be coming to the M5 later if rumors come true. That's great, but again, I'd like to see them spend the money on even lighter cars than what they are already planning, and again, it would be great to see the S65/S85 upgraded with HPI, multi-displacement, etc, instead of being retired.

There is only so much money you can spend on a program and be profitable. Every additional feature, option, or governement mandated item means less money to spend on what matters most - performance.
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The F10 M has been engineered with the M-DCT as the priority transmission and is at it's most optimum with the Double Clutch Transmission.
It is also equipped with Stop/Start.

This is also a sort of an experiment. If the manual does not reach the expected demand in the US it will mean the end of manuals in the US for future larger and M vehicles.

In general for BMW in the US. The market for manuals is disappearing compared to a few years back. Of all sales about 5% are manuals. Each month however the decline in manual transmission choice is highly obvious.

For M it is more of an advantage and slightly more units because the M3 is available as a manual and then there is the manual-only 1M which should help the numbers.

With MINI the choice has all but been diminished , although the Coupe might change that.
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You can't have a manual transmission and a button for an E-brake -_-
Sure you can... that's what I have on my 535i. The clutch in the 535i is relatively light. Nice linear engagement.

The car does include hill takeoff assist that's always on. It works very well. When you take your foot off the brake when at a stop, the car will keep the brakes engaged for up to about 2 seconds until you have lifted the clutch enough for it to start to engage. It's very smooth and handy on hills. Absolutely no drifting backwards.

The only other reason I can think you'd need a real e-brake lever is to do something like e-brake spin turns or something.
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      06-14-2011, 04:11 PM   #56
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I have never seen a stick e6x m5 or m6. Only seen smg.
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That shift knob is looking kind of dated now.
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It's good that both options are available. That means more sales for BMW which equals more money to be put into R&D for future cars or existing cars that are in the pipeline.

Me personally, I would not get this car in M/T because it is a cruiser not really a "sports car".
even if it is a cruiser, being a manual does not mean it will be a bad thing, or that it wont satisfy the state of cruising, there are people who prefer their daily driven cars to be manual, they just get comfortable in driving a manual car
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      06-14-2011, 06:37 PM   #59
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First you guys complain they aren't gonna make the new M5 manual... now that they approve it... you guys say you would never get it.

Make up your minds.
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      06-15-2011, 12:19 AM   #60
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7 speed manual would be fun. hah.
word. hahaha
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I might get bashed for this, but i think all M cars should be manual only. Sports cars with manual were always the best, there is nothing better then having the 3rd pedal to fully enjoy the car. But that's my own opinion.
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      06-15-2011, 10:48 AM   #62
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this is my opinion:

* north americans think they are cool/superior because they choose to drive manual
* europeans think they are cool/better because their luxury car has a sweet ass double clutch

it's all down to not being what the majority has

again, only my opinion
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      06-16-2011, 01:36 AM   #63
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This is great!!! Time to safe up for me...
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      06-17-2011, 08:53 AM   #64
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I've chosen manual transmissions on most of my vehicles over the years. Last year I started having back pain, and I discovered pushing the clutch in with my left leg exacerbated the issue. I sold my '07 335 and bought a '11 335is with DCT. While I occasionally miss the manual, the DCT has served my needs/desires well. For the manual enthusiasts out there (and I considered myself one), you need to drive the DCT for a few days in different situations before judging. The M5 (or most likely the M6) is on my short list for my next car, and I will go with the DCT.

Manual enthusiasts are getting older, and their needs/desires are changing. I suspect there are many more like me out there, and they are moving towards DCT type transmissions. The younger enthusiast crowd has never known a world without super-fast sport automatic transmissions (think EVO). Add to the fact that in most other markets having an automatic transmission is seen as upscale, and you have a recipe for the end of manual transmissions.

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What's wrong with everyone?? Manuals belong on smaller cars.. Why on a big luxury car??? etc etc. The E39 was a brilliant car and it didn't even have an auto option. HELLOOO??? And the great thing is we're the only ones getting BOTH. This is AWEsOME!!
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      06-25-2011, 07:46 AM   #66
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I think the 6 speed manual will appropiate ...I'll take mine in Alpine White with Fox red interior!
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