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      06-15-2011, 06:40 PM   #1
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Super Sedan Comparo: F10 M5 vs. Panamera Turbo/S vs. XF-R
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We've stacked the F10 M5 (full specs/details) up against the E63 AMG and CTS-V, but there are other cars in the segment which warrant further comparison, namely the Porsche Panamera Turbo/S and the Jaguar XF-R.

This comparison covers cars from a wide range of prices - from $80,000 to $173,000, but on paper the performance specs and owner demographics are close enough to compare. Again, the real tests will come from test drives, reviews, and direct comparos of the M5 against its rivals.


F10 M5Panamera TurboPanamera Turbo SXF-R
Power560hp (@ 6,000-7,000 rpm)500hp (@ 6,000 rpm)550hp (6,000rpm)510hp (@ 6,000 - 6,500 rpm)
Torque501 lb-ft (1500rpm)516 lb-ft/568 lb-ft* (@ 2,250 - 4,500 rpm)553/590 lb-ft (2,500-4,000rpm - Overboost)461 lb-ft (@ 2,500-5,500 rpm)
0-62mph4.4 seconds4.2 seconds (4.0 Sport Chrono)3.8 seconds (Sport Chrono)4.9 seconds
0-124mph13 seconds
Top Speed155mph (190mph with M Driver's Package)188 mph190 mph155 mph
Transmission7 Speed DCT / 6 Speed Manaul7 Speed PDK7 Speed PDK6 Speed Auto
Dimensions
Wheelbase116.7 in114.9 in114.9 in114.5 in
Length193.3 in195.6 in195.6 in195.3 in
Width74.4 in83.2 in83.2 in75.6 in
Height57.3 in55.12 in55.12 in57.5 in
Weight - unladen4,122/4,286lb (DIN/EU)4,343lb (curb weight)TBA4,306 lb (curb weight)
Fuel Consumption24 mpg (based on EU cycle)15 / 23 mpg15 / 23 mpg15 / 21 mpg
Priceest. $100,000$136,700$173,200$79,600




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Panamera turbos are too fast, however i dont understand the point of the Turbo S, 40k more just to be .2 seconds faster? is there more to it than just that?

regardless M5>...
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exterior looks: XF-R>M5>Panamera Turbo. The first 2 contenders are balanced while Panamera Turbo is not - it looks as if it is from outer space:-)

interior: Panamera Turbo & XF-R are better than M5 cos the color combo provide more elegant touch.
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Panamera turbos are too fast, however i dont understand the point of the Turbo S, 40k more just to be .2 seconds faster? is there more to it than just that?

regardless M5>...

40k is chump change
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      06-16-2011, 12:08 PM   #5
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porsche interior M5 all the rest.. god that panamera is ugly..
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For the first time, I cant really understand what happened here.... Im dissapointed in the M5's performance being stacked against Porsche.... I cant say Im happy with those results. But Its not my problem, Im not an M5 owner, so none of these can pull on me lol

Perfomance out of the picture, the M5 is the showstopper, its looks are 20 times better than its rivals. This car is as much as a sex symbol to me as Marylin Monroe was to the older gentlemen here. BMW M5 FTW.
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Panamera turbos are too fast, however i dont understand the point of the Turbo S, 40k more just to be .2 seconds faster? is there more to it than just that?

regardless M5>...
pretty ignorant comment that you see often on pretty much every comparison threads on any forums.

so tell me, do you think you can achieve 0-60 2s car with 40k? whats was your expectation anyways? you can only do so much from 0-60 and this has been the case for all turbo s vs turbo for porsche. let alone other manufacturers.
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      06-16-2011, 12:15 PM   #8
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the white/silver pics are not XF-R. The red one is. Not sure if it makes a difference tho.
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So i see the M5 msrp is listed at an estimated $90-$100k.

Are they really going to charge that much more than the quicker E63?
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      06-16-2011, 12:20 PM   #10
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That Panamera is so ugly, one of my neighbours has a black one.

But coming from a 5GT, he more or less has seen the light.
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So i see the M5 msrp is listed at an estimated $90-$100k.

Are they really going to charge that much more than the quicker E63?
yes they will charge more than the quicker, yet overall worse performing - E63.
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the white/silver pics are not XF-R. The red one is. Not sure if it makes a difference tho.
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      06-16-2011, 12:29 PM   #13
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No way the M5 is $90-100k. Zero chance. Who is dreaming that one up

$120-130k minimum and it'll get higher with ceramic brakes and other options.

Wait for the sticker shock people, its coming...
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The panamera may always have the jump going to 60mph from the awd. But there is not doubt in my mind the M5 can run with if not surpass the panamera's performance around a track, and accelerating from a rolling start.
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Wait for the sticker shock people, its coming...
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The only reason you wouldn't get the Panamera Turbo S is because you can't afford it. It's more comparable to an S Class than the F10.
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I really think the M5 is going to be in the 3.9-4.1 range
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geez, pan turbo is a bit heavier, has less power, yet still has quicker 0-60 than the m5.

solid numbers regardless tho!
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geez, pan turbo is a bit heavier, has less power, yet still has quicker 0-60 than the m5.

solid numbers regardless tho!
Yeah it also has All Wheel Drive...
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love the new M5 and and I'm developing more of a soft spot for the XF-R
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Panamera is such a weird-looking car though. Even non-car enthusiasts agree
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M5 interior is just perfect! exterior is also perfect but i have to say that XF-R is pretty hot!
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