New BMW M5 S63Tu Engine Improves Upon X5/X6M's S63 - All Details - Page 2 - M5POST

mkPOTO · 06-22-2011, 09:19 PM

Thing is going to be nasty

Diver · 06-22-2011, 09:24 PM

Awesome, will it fit in a 3?

positiveions · 06-22-2011, 09:24 PM

good stuff

TimZ · 06-22-2011, 09:32 PM

Lol I still remember all the hate for this motor before anything was released. Now look at the love!!!
Either way great motor. But now my engine is outdated on the x5m compared to this, sort of.
Test drive time soon!

H Bomb · 06-22-2011, 09:37 PM

where do you guys see the mpg?? how many mpg are they claiming it gets??

Maxx2 · 06-22-2011, 09:42 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by BMWPower06

lol I all of a sudden think that BMW is extremely underrating this engine...

Its got almost 5 more PSI of boost than the normal S63 engine and a higher compression ratio. I wouldn't be surprised if this engine is actually closer to 600hp

Agree 100%.....

This thing is highly underrated (or detuned)...

+5psi boost & +.7 compression = A LOT more than 5HP!!

Anyone else notice this in paragraph 4;
"560 hp (US preliminary figure)"

Having owned a V10 M5 and driven an X5M I think this new engine will amaze a lot of people.

novablackm3 · 06-22-2011, 10:01 PM

the 7speed dct + improved gas mileage this will be a plus. the x5m gets 9~12mpg...

Rez · 06-22-2011, 10:01 PM

I just can't see the improvement since the hp and tq are identical.

cuban335i · 06-22-2011, 10:27 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Rez

I just can't see the improvement since the hp and tq are identical.

that is only what they SAY

jimbojsb · 06-22-2011, 10:38 PM

I'm sure this is great and all, and incredibly clever, but the NA M engines are true things of beauty.

2 words: Intake Trumpets

E60
http://www.bmwheaven.com/gallery/ima...1996305355.jpg

E39
http://forums.rennlist.com/upload/m5...acks_copy1.jpg

E9x
http://www.bmwheaven.com/gallery/ima...1167432698.jpg

MikeyComputers · 06-22-2011, 10:57 PM

will those turbo's fit in the n54?

muskamatt · 06-22-2011, 11:00 PM

I don't understand why BMW would underrate this engine. IMO that only made sense in the N54 considering some of the times that it made (0-60 etc. etc. stuff that an average consumer would base their opinion off of i.e. not suspension, high revving v8 etc. etc. so please don't start this war) because it had to make sure the M3's times all around were better (see Boxster, vs Cayman, vs 911 discussions).

The M5 has no upper vehicle to make sure it does not out perform. Why underrate? From a marketing/sales perspective it makes no sense. This car will need some marketing/sales push so this doesn't make any sense to me.

Also, I am still not sure about this bar $hit but if the stock motor is pushing 22 psi like people have said then how does this thing not have turbo lag? Will tuners be pushing 30+ psi? Doesn't that seem ridiculous?

GOLFFRR · 06-22-2011, 11:28 PM

amirz1000 · 06-22-2011, 11:35 PM

Say hello to the 2014 F3X M3 engine. Oh minus 2 cylinders and about 100hp of course

Rickster311 · 06-23-2011, 12:12 AM

[quote=Maxx2;9875588]

Quote:

Originally Posted by BMWPower06

lol I all of a sudden think that BMW is extremely underrating this engine...

Its got almost 5 more PSI of boost than the normal S63 engine and a higher compression ratio. I wouldn't be surprised if this engine is actually closer to 600hp

Agree 100%.....

This thing is highly underrated (or detuned)...

5psi boost

eVitO · 06-23-2011, 12:28 AM

Definitely agreed with the underrating of this engine... 22psi! That's insane on a stock motor...

dlbrooks18 · 06-23-2011, 12:28 AM

Yep so this engine is underrated and making probably 600hp, nice!

sparoz · 06-23-2011, 12:43 AM

Maximum HP doesn't describe the power curve. My suspicion is that the extra pressure is used to power the engine after max torque, ie maintaining power after the peak torque - probably giving an engine with less "cliff" drop compare to other turbo engines.

ChRR1000S · 06-23-2011, 01:49 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by dlbrooks18

Yep so this engine is underrated and making probably 600hp, nice!

Same thing with the BMW S1000RR, a Lot of them have around 5-10HP more. (In contrast to the japanese Kilobikes which usually have 5-15HP less then on the paper.)

Weezy310 · 06-23-2011, 02:19 AM

22psi is about medium boost... Evos and subbies come stock running a tad over 20psi. I was making a bit over 400 whp @ 20 psi on my eclipse gsx on a 2.0 liter engine. 22psi on a 4.4 liter and making only 500 seems a bit low to me but i guess its has a really safe factory tune

ZTUNER · 06-23-2011, 02:23 AM

chances are the boost pressure is actually absolute boost pressure ie 1.5 bar - 1 bar = .5 bar which is around 8 psi which makes sense. Its highly unlikely that they will release a car with 10:1 CR and run 18 or 22 psi.

. If you log parameters in any of the turbo powered DMEs you will see they actually measure absolute pressure and derive boost pressure from there. the reason is to account for altitude.

Harry

ZTUNER · 06-23-2011, 02:24 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Weezy310

22psi is about medium boost... Evos and subbies come stock running a tad over 20psi. I was making a bit over 400 whp @ 20 psi on my eclipse gsx on a 2.0 liter engine. 22psi on a 4.4 liter and making only 500 seems a bit low to me but i guess its has a really safe factory tune

evos and subies do not run 10:1 CR either

Harry

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TimZ Lieutenant Drives: X5M Join Date: May 2010 Location: NYC Posts: 560 iTrader: (0)	Lol I still remember all the hate for this motor before anything was released. Now look at the love!!! Either way great motor. But now my engine is outdated on the x5m compared to this, sort of. Test drive time soon!

06-22-2011, 10:01 PM	#30
Rez New Member Drives: X5M Join Date: Jul 2008 Location: Philly Posts: 23 iTrader: (0)	I just can't see the improvement since the hp and tq are identical.

06-22-2011, 10:38 PM	#32
jimbojsb Enlisted Member Drives: 06 Z4MR TiAG + Red Join Date: Jul 2009 Location: Austin, TX Posts: 45 iTrader: (0)	I'm sure this is great and all, and incredibly clever, but the NA M engines are true things of beauty. 2 words: Intake Trumpets E60 http://www.bmwheaven.com/gallery/ima...1996305355.jpg E39 http://forums.rennlist.com/upload/m5...acks_copy1.jpg E9x http://www.bmwheaven.com/gallery/ima...1167432698.jpg

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06-22-2011, 11:00 PM	#34
muskamatt First Lieutenant Drives: e92 335i Join Date: Jul 2010 Location: SoCal Posts: 323 iTrader: (0)	I don't understand why BMW would underrate this engine. IMO that only made sense in the N54 considering some of the times that it made (0-60 etc. etc. stuff that an average consumer would base their opinion off of i.e. not suspension, high revving v8 etc. etc. so please don't start this war) because it had to make sure the M3's times all around were better (see Boxster, vs Cayman, vs 911 discussions). The M5 has no upper vehicle to make sure it does not out perform. Why underrate? From a marketing/sales perspective it makes no sense. This car will need some marketing/sales push so this doesn't make any sense to me. Also, I am still not sure about this bar $hit but if the stock motor is pushing 22 psi like people have said then how does this thing not have turbo lag? Will tuners be pushing 30+ psi? Doesn't that seem ridiculous?

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06-23-2011, 02:19 AM	#42
Weezy310 New Member Drives: 335i Join Date: Apr 2011 Location: SoCal Posts: 27 iTrader: (0)	22psi is about medium boost... Evos and subbies come stock running a tad over 20psi. I was making a bit over 400 whp @ 20 psi on my eclipse gsx on a 2.0 liter engine. 22psi on a 4.4 liter and making only 500 seems a bit low to me but i guess its has a really safe factory tune

06-23-2011, 02:23 AM	#43
ZTUNER Lieutenant Drives: 91 Z32TT, 2000 I30, 335i Join Date: Apr 2008 Location: Sarasota Posts: 498 iTrader: (0)	chances are the boost pressure is actually absolute boost pressure ie 1.5 bar - 1 bar = .5 bar which is around 8 psi which makes sense. Its highly unlikely that they will release a car with 10:1 CR and run 18 or 22 psi. . If you log parameters in any of the turbo powered DMEs you will see they actually measure absolute pressure and derive boost pressure from there. the reason is to account for altitude. Harry

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