[AutoCar]: F10 M5 vs E63 AMG vs Jag XF-R - M5POST

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宝马.e90 · 10-05-2011, 12:45 AM

Merc: 1 vs. BMW: 0

(Oh, this is going to be fun...

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phish_100 · 10-05-2011, 01:09 AM

This is blasphemy. I am furious. The E63 was always going to be more of a monster imo. I am still taking the M5!!

Robin_NL · 10-05-2011, 05:08 AM

Not too many reactions overhere. How come.

I''d still choose the M5. Looks the best in- and outside. Still a bit of a Q-car. I like that.
I don't like the Merc's dasboard layout. The Jag overall looks ok.

mdh · 10-05-2011, 08:31 AM

"...at no time does it feel as sharp as the E63..."

Is this an M5 we're talking about???

This doesn't jive with the unanimous 5-star reviews this car has been getting.

Part of me says they just wanted to shock people with the conclusion.

ddmerino · 10-05-2011, 09:47 AM

I would still go for the M5. It is just one magazine's opinion putting the Mecedes ahead of the M5 when stats show all three are at par.

htoudiee · 10-05-2011, 10:33 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by mdh

"...at no time does it feel as sharp as the E63..."

Is this an M5 we're talking about???

This doesn't jive with the unanimous 5-star reviews this car has been getting.

Part of me says they just wanted to shock people with the conclusion.

Agreed. But that makes me thing, they don't just say that. I always also thought Merc was a softer platform of the two, more body roll, etc... but seems like they've fixed that.
Does anyone know if the Merc had the Double-Clutch trans as well? It only shows "Auto" in the charts. I Know Merc has a DCT like trans so wondering if that was really not in E63 and why?

Auto · 10-05-2011, 10:41 AM

VIDEO REVIEW!!!!! Who READS THESE DAYS??!?!?!?

BMWI6 · 10-05-2011, 10:44 AM

This review doesn't surprise me. I still DONT GET how BMW DOES NOT put ANY emphasis on how the CAR SOUNDS!!!!!! Noise makes everything 1000000000 times more exciting and memorable, it thrills you and makes you feel like you are driving a race-car. Everyone knows that the BMW is the better car, but why would you buy such a wonderful machine if it makes you feel like you are driving a regular 5 series. I know that 4.4liter v8 can growl, give it to us BMW!!!!!

Mako · 10-05-2011, 10:45 AM

Maybe if the M5 went on a diet it would have won! BMW used to make light weight M cars, what happened to that? 100kg more than the E63, wow

If not for the front of the E63 I would be all over it, I can't stand how the hood looks (emblem sticking up and grill) I like the looks of the C63 and CLS63 hood much better, not sure why they went old school with the E63.

BMW better watch their backs, CTS-V, E63, RS6 could all beat it and be cheaper (well two of the three, RS6 will be stupid expensive like always)

eisenb11 · 10-05-2011, 10:50 AM

Does it seem odd to anyone that they would post the verdict on the cover?

e1000 · 10-05-2011, 10:55 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by htoudiee

Agreed. But that makes me thing, they don't just say that. I always also thought Merc was a softer platform of the two, more body roll, etc... but seems like they've fixed that.
Does anyone know if the Merc had the Double-Clutch trans as well? It only shows "Auto" in the charts. I Know Merc has a DCT like trans so wondering if that was really not in E63 and why?

MCT, it's essentially a single wet clutch mated to a 7-speed automatic transmission (planetary gears). Definitely not as good as an M-DCT, but better than a normal automatic transmission using a torque converter.

BimmerGuyFL · 10-05-2011, 10:57 AM

BMW is not what they used to be. All good things must come to an end.

AndyzDad · 10-05-2011, 11:00 AM

Hmm.. I've driven a friend's CLS 63AMG and that thing was a BEAST! I can only imagine the new E63 having said that, I'll hold my opinion until I drive the new M!

宝马.e90 · 10-05-2011, 11:01 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Mako

Maybe if the M5 went on a diet it would have won! BMW used to make light weight M cars, what happened to that? 100kg more than the E63, wow

If not for the front of the E63 I would be all over it, I can't stand how the hood looks (emblem sticking up and grill) I like the looks of the C63 and CLS63 hood much better, not sure why they went old school with the E63.

BMW better watch their backs, CTS-V, E63, RS6 could all beat it and be cheaper (well two of the three, RS6 will be stupid expensive like always)

I don't really think weight is the primary problem. BMW seems to do a good job at countering the weight. I'm not saying the F10 M5 is the better car here, it's just hard to come to a conclusion with one verdict from one magazine that doesn't really match up to what the reviews are saying. I mean do they mean when they say it isn't as sharp as the E63? ...

If other head-to-head comparisons are the same, it looks like BMW lost it's focus and did what Mercedes usually does, focus on being an all-rounder with performance rather than being strictly performance. It's going to be REAL interesting how the F30 M3 is going to turn out.

stefan · 10-05-2011, 11:02 AM

I'm a bit surprised but on the other hand, this verdict aligns closely with those of us whose sentiment is that turbos take away from the experience. We all know turbos are faster and more efficient and this test certainly shows that, but the excitement is severely (and to some of us, critically) diminished. Not only that, the hydraulic steering appears to be a sore spot (also something we suspected).

Too bad. I must say, unbiased, that the M5 is the best looking car in the pack, though. Best interior as well.

Wolf · 10-05-2011, 11:02 AM

ok good job merc, you won "the words" battle, time for "the numbers" battle

Cl0ud7 · 10-05-2011, 11:02 AM

M5's first appearance and it's already losing..Not a good start..........

Quote:

Originally Posted by 宝马.e90

The E92 M3 weighed more than the C63 but it was the better car.

That would be incorrect....

宝马.e90 · 10-05-2011, 11:10 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Cl0ud7

M5's first appearance and it's already losing..Not a good start..........

That would be incorrect....

Didn't the M3 weigh around 3700+ lb and the C63 around 3600? (going to check right now.)

EDIT: Yeah you're right. The C63 is sitting around 3900lb.

vanosracing · 10-05-2011, 11:11 AM

I'm surprised by the outcome. I never thought possible that a Merc AMG can out-handle a BMW M spec car.

At the end of the day it doesn't matter because buyers of these cars will never push them to the max nor are they capable.

kbryce · 10-05-2011, 11:13 AM

Noooooooooooooooooooooooooooooo!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! !!!!

Francis M. · 10-05-2011, 11:22 AM

Is this bizzaro world? Merc is beating BMW at an area where BMW used to dominate, Driving experience?

I've read so many comparisons where BMW didn't stack on performance #'s but still won the vote based on driving dynamics/experience....

This has to be a first!

10-05-2011, 12:45 AM	#2
宝马.e90 Major Drives: E90 325i, R56 MINI Cooper Join Date: Mar 2011 Location: Toronto, Ontario Posts: 1,241 iTrader: (0)	Merc: 1 vs. BMW: 0 (Oh, this is going to be fun...)

10-05-2011, 10:44 AM	#9
BMWI6 Major Drives: 335is Join Date: Feb 2008 Location: Miami, Fl Posts: 1,314 iTrader: (2)	This review doesn't surprise me. I still DONT GET how BMW DOES NOT put ANY emphasis on how the CAR SOUNDS!!!!!! Noise makes everything 1000000000 times more exciting and memorable, it thrills you and makes you feel like you are driving a race-car. Everyone knows that the BMW is the better car, but why would you buy such a wonderful machine if it makes you feel like you are driving a regular 5 series. I know that 4.4liter v8 can growl, give it to us BMW!!!!! __________________ If everything seems under control, then you aren't going fast enough"

10-05-2011, 10:57 AM	#13
BimmerGuyFL Lieutenant Drives: 2013 F10 BMW 535i M-sport Join Date: Jun 2005 Location: Orlando, FL USA Posts: 515 iTrader: (0)	BMW is not what they used to be. All good things must come to an end. __________________ 2013 F10 BMW 535i Alpine White / Oyster Dakota Leather / Anthracite Wood Trim / Steptronic transmission / M Sport Package / Premium Package / Technology Package / Rear-view camera / Park Distance Control

10-05-2011, 11:02 AM	#16
stefan Colonel Drives: E92M3 Join Date: Feb 2008 Location: Calgary Posts: 2,019 iTrader: (2) Garage List 1999 VF BMW M3 [5.00] 2008 135i [5.00] 2003 M3 [3.10] 2011.75 BMW M3 [4.17] 2009 STi [3.83]	I'm a bit surprised but on the other hand, this verdict aligns closely with those of us whose sentiment is that turbos take away from the experience. We all know turbos are faster and more efficient and this test certainly shows that, but the excitement is severely (and to some of us, critically) diminished. Not only that, the hydraulic steering appears to be a sore spot (also something we suspected). Too bad. I must say, unbiased, that the M5 is the best looking car in the pack, though. Best interior as well. __________________ ///M Power - 2011.75 LMB M3 6MT (fuelly)

10-05-2011, 11:13 AM	#21
kbryce I have to return some video tapes Drives: e92 335i 6mt Join Date: Apr 2011 Location: Albany/NYC Posts: 2,591 iTrader: (0)	Noooooooooooooooooooooooooooooo!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! !!!! __________________ 13 Black Sapphire e92 335i - 6mt - Coral Red - M-Sport - No mods for 1,200 miles! 10 Le Mans Blue e92 335i - Retired 09 Monaco Blue e92 328i xdrive - Retired 07 Sparkling Graphite e92 328xi - Retired

10-05-2011, 01:09 AM	#3
phish_100 First Lieutenant Drives: Azurite Black F10M M5 Join Date: Aug 2011 Location: London Posts: 300 iTrader: (0)	This is blasphemy. I am furious. The E63 was always going to be more of a monster imo. I am still taking the M5!!

10-05-2011, 05:08 AM	#4
Robin_NL S0THPAW Drives: AW 1M + N55 mids Join Date: Apr 2005 Location: The Netherlands, Europe Posts: 4,208 iTrader: (0)	Not too many reactions overhere. How come. I''d still choose the M5. Looks the best in- and outside. Still a bit of a Q-car. I like that. I don't like the Merc's dasboard layout. The Jag overall looks ok.

10-05-2011, 08:31 AM	#5
mdh Private First Class Drives: E60 M5 Join Date: Apr 2008 Location: Midwest Posts: 138 iTrader: (0)	"...at no time does it feel as sharp as the E63..." Is this an M5 we're talking about??? This doesn't jive with the unanimous 5-star reviews this car has been getting. Part of me says they just wanted to shock people with the conclusion.

10-05-2011, 09:47 AM	#6
ddmerino Enlisted Member Drives: Honda Join Date: Sep 2011 Location: NYC Posts: 34 iTrader: (0)	I would still go for the M5. It is just one magazine's opinion putting the Mecedes ahead of the M5 when stats show all three are at par.

10-05-2011, 10:41 AM	#8
Auto Lieutenant Drives: Sold Join Date: Oct 2006 Location: Sweden Posts: 557 iTrader: (0)	VIDEO REVIEW!!!!! Who READS THESE DAYS??!?!?!?

10-05-2011, 10:45 AM	#10
Mako 2000 M Roadster (sold), 2006 M Coupe (sold) Drives: '12 X3 35i M Spt '13 335 M Spt Join Date: Jul 2009 Location: Chicago Posts: 1,087 iTrader: (0)	Maybe if the M5 went on a diet it would have won! BMW used to make light weight M cars, what happened to that? 100kg more than the E63, wow If not for the front of the E63 I would be all over it, I can't stand how the hood looks (emblem sticking up and grill) I like the looks of the C63 and CLS63 hood much better, not sure why they went old school with the E63. BMW better watch their backs, CTS-V, E63, RS6 could all beat it and be cheaper (well two of the three, RS6 will be stupid expensive like always)

10-05-2011, 10:50 AM	#11
eisenb11 Major Drives: 2012 E92 M3 SSII Join Date: Oct 2007 Location: Redondo Beach, CA, USA Posts: 1,107 iTrader: (0)	Does it seem odd to anyone that they would post the verdict on the cover?

10-05-2011, 11:00 AM	#14
AndyzDad Second Lieutenant Drives: 335i E92 Join Date: Oct 2010 Location: Los Angeles, CA Posts: 200 iTrader: (0)	Hmm.. I've driven a friend's CLS 63AMG and that thing was a BEAST! I can only imagine the new E63 having said that, I'll hold my opinion until I drive the new M!

10-05-2011, 11:11 AM	#20
vanosracing Private First Class Drives: none Join Date: May 2009 Location: bassano Posts: 116 iTrader: (0)	I'm surprised by the outcome. I never thought possible that a Merc AMG can out-handle a BMW M spec car. At the end of the day it doesn't matter because buyers of these cars will never push them to the max nor are they capable.

10-05-2011, 11:22 AM	#22
Francis M. Lieutenant Drives: 2010 3 series sedan Join Date: Mar 2011 Location: Diamond Bar cali Posts: 454 iTrader: (0)	Is this bizzaro world? Merc is beating BMW at an area where BMW used to dominate, Driving experience? I've read so many comparisons where BMW didn't stack on performance #'s but still won the vote based on driving dynamics/experience.... This has to be a first! __________________ MODS-ST c/o- full Mtech conversion-ltbmw carbon lip/ OEM trunk lip/ performance diffuser/gloss vinyl roof/ lux8 angels/ euro air box/performance exhaust/ CCW classics/performance shifter and hand brake performance bbk/ active xenon lights

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