[AutoCar]: F10 M5 vs E63 AMG vs Jag XF-R - Page 4 - M5POST

kyleb350 · 10-06-2011, 01:15 PM

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Originally Posted by Mako

Maybe if the M5 went on a diet it would have won! BMW used to make light weight M cars, what happened to that? 100kg more than the E63, wow

I was looking at the numbers and couldn't tell why the BMW was slower (+50 hp, DCT) until I looked at the weight.

nbennettksu · 10-06-2011, 01:22 PM

I think scott26 said, in a thread about the 6 grand coupe, BMW was gonna make IT (6GC) the king-ding 4dr

Sedan_Clan · 10-06-2011, 01:49 PM

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Originally Posted by kyleb350

I was looking at the numbers and couldn't tell why the BMW was slower (+50 hp, DCT) until I looked at the weight.

Which numbers?

Kayani_1 · 10-06-2011, 09:54 PM

The problem with M5 is not that it is slower then the other two. Those numbers for 0-60 mph might be manufacture estimates. Because the article clearly states that M5 is faster then both the other cars and it will out run them both to triple digit speeds.

So speed and acceleration is not in question. Nor the fact that M5 is great handling. The down side of M5 is that it is heavier and not as agile nor fun.

Quote:

Originally Posted by kyleb350

I was looking at the numbers and couldn't tell why the BMW was slower (+50 hp, DCT) until I looked at the weight.

dmz · 10-07-2011, 02:25 AM

Why is anyone surprised about this result? The 5 series has been getting bad review about it being soft and heavy from several magazines. The 535i lost to the Audi A6 3.0T and the Infiniti M37 in C&D a while back.
The truth is, BMW chose to make the 5 series chassis more luxurious at the cost of performance. Because of that, it will probably sell more F10 than any other 5 series from the past.

-=Hot|Ice=- · 10-07-2011, 02:34 AM

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Originally Posted by nbennettksu

I think scott26 said, in a thread about the 6 grand coupe, BMW was gonna make IT (6GC) the king-ding 4dr

If it weights anything near the M5, All it'll be king of is seeing some Panamera's Turbo S ass.

Robin_NL · 10-07-2011, 02:39 AM

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Originally Posted by -=Hot|Ice=-

If it weights anything near the M5, All it'll be king of is seeing some Panamera's Turbo S ass.

I wouldn't be so sure about that, remembering the Nordschleife laptimes.

Panamera Turbo S: 7:56
F10 M5: 7:55

johnca · 10-07-2011, 08:17 AM

M5 all the best

mdh · 10-07-2011, 10:17 AM

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Originally Posted by Robin Hood

I wouldn't be so sure about that, remembering the Nordschleife laptimes.

Panamera Turbo S: 7:56
F10 M5: 7:55

The 7:56 was a standard Panamera Turbo, not a Turbo S. The Turbo S will probably beat the M5 time by a few seconds.

Ferre86 · 10-07-2011, 10:40 AM

damn M5 is too way heavy

M3V10 · 10-07-2011, 11:59 AM

no matter what. i'll still stick with the m5.

phish_100 · 10-07-2011, 01:46 PM

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Originally Posted by M3V10

no matter what. i'll still stick with the m5.

Same here! All this shit is so minor. It's an m5 - it's awesome. End.

1BMW4fun · 10-07-2011, 10:32 PM

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Originally Posted by Robin Hood

I wouldn't be so sure about that, remembering the Nordschleife laptimes.

Panamera Turbo S: 7:56
F10 M5: 7:55

Is this an official time for the M5? any link?

Bowser330 · 10-08-2011, 03:46 PM

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Originally Posted by e1000

MCT, it's essentially a single wet clutch mated to a 7-speed automatic transmission (planetary gears). Definitely not as good as an M-DCT, but better than a normal automatic transmission using a torque converter.

I have ridden in the 2012 C63 AMG coupe with the MCT transmission and performance package (6.2NA not 5.5TT)

The MCT wet clutch thing is a marvel of engineering. The shifts even at WOT are extremely smooth and quick while feeling solid and firm.

I can only imagine how 5.5TT feels with more power and torque...

The power numbers are pretty amazing...4.4TT vs 5.5TT, yet the BMW has 552hp...Just wait till the tuners get a hold of these engines....GAME OVER

iloseguitarpicks · 10-08-2011, 04:06 PM

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Originally Posted by Bowser330

I have ridden in the 2012 C63 AMG coupe with the MCT transmission and performance package (6.2NA not 5.5TT)

The MCT wet clutch thing is a marvel of engineering. The shifts even at WOT are extremely smooth and quick while feeling solid and firm.

I can only imagine how 5.5TT feels with more power and torque...

The power numbers are pretty amazing...4.4TT vs 5.5TT, yet the BMW has 552hp...Just wait till the tuners get a hold of these engines....GAME OVER

oh the power of turbos

Cdnrockies · 10-11-2011, 12:51 AM

The bench racing and blind fanboi loyalism in this thread is amusing considering that no one here has actually driven the car yet....lol.

Robin_NL · 10-11-2011, 08:45 AM

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Originally Posted by mdh

The 7:56 was a standard Panamera Turbo, not a Turbo S. The Turbo S will probably beat the M5 time by a few seconds.

Sorry, you 're right, it was a Turbo(a typo, everything is called 'S' nowadays @ Porsche LOL) , driven in 2009. But the M5 is still one second faster nonetheless.

Anyway, a Panamera won't get my vote when it comes to looks and stuff. So a bit biased: even if the Turbo S would do a NS lap in 7:45, I 'd still choose the M5.

mdh · 10-11-2011, 09:54 AM

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Originally Posted by Robin Hood

Sorry, you 're right, it was a Turbo(a typo, everything is called 'S' nowadays @ Porsche LOL) , driven in 2009. But the M5 is still one second faster nonetheless.

Anyway, a Panamera won't get my vote when it comes to looks and stuff. So a bit biased: even if the Turbo S would do a NS lap in 7:45, I 'd still choose the M5.

Same here. Then of course there's the extra $70K you'll need to pay for the Turbo S.

mdh · 10-11-2011, 10:15 AM

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Originally Posted by kyleb350

I was looking at the numbers and couldn't tell why the BMW was slower (+50 hp, DCT) until I looked at the weight.

Those are the mfg.'s numbers. I think the road tests will show a different result.

Sedan_Clan · 10-11-2011, 10:20 AM

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Originally Posted by Cdnrockies

The bench racing and blind fanboi loyalism in this thread is amusing considering that no one here has actually driven the car yet....lol.

There may be some instances of this, however history has shown us that the M cars perform very well against direct competition. The law of probabilities are in effect here.

Neil McRae · 10-04-2012, 03:12 AM

dragging an old thread up danger warning.

but how ridiculous does this review read now? lots of these jurnos really have no clue about cars.

dr.skp.ortho · 10-04-2012, 05:09 AM

The conclusion was the M5 was faster, more luxurious and refined. That is exactly what I want for a sports luxury sedan. Not go kart thrills. I am a buyer of these cars not a wannabe magazine reader or automotive journo whose personal car is a fiat punto.

In the sports lux sedan segment the M5 is king.

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nbennettksu Captain Drives: M3 Join Date: Jul 2007 Location: Fort Lauderdale Posts: 948 iTrader: (0)	I think scott26 said, in a thread about the 6 grand coupe, BMW was gonna make IT (6GC) the king-ding 4dr

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dmz Captain Drives: me nuts Join Date: Jan 2007 Location: CA Posts: 606 iTrader: (1)	Why is anyone surprised about this result? The 5 series has been getting bad review about it being soft and heavy from several magazines. The 535i lost to the Audi A6 3.0T and the Infiniti M37 in C&D a while back. The truth is, BMW chose to make the 5 series chassis more luxurious at the cost of performance. Because of that, it will probably sell more F10 than any other 5 series from the past.

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Cdnrockies Banned Drives: BMW's Join Date: Oct 2009 Location: Calgary Posts: 1,114 iTrader: (0)	The bench racing and blind fanboi loyalism in this thread is amusing considering that no one here has actually driven the car yet....lol.

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