F10 M5 vs. CLS63 AMG Shootout Video from CARshootout 2012 - M5POST

Jason · 12-13-2011, 11:22 AM

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F10 M5 vs. CLS63 AMG Shootout Video from CARshootout 2012

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CAR magazine's next issue is the January "Shootout" issue, and one of the most anticipated shootout comparisons is the F10 M5 versus the CLS63 AMG.

This video clip from CAR features the two turbocharged V8 monsters battling it out on the road and on the track. At the helm is multiple South African racing champion and CAR magazine track tester, Deon Joubert.

Check out the results of 560hp/501lb-ft (M5) versus 536hp/590lb-ft (CLS63) inside.

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Whostheboss · 12-13-2011, 02:19 PM

//M5 or //M6GrandCoupe? (if they make one)... that is the question.

Q4P · 12-13-2011, 02:36 PM

M5 FTW... but both going into limp mode tells me how worthy they are of being true track cars.

dsbj · 12-13-2011, 02:38 PM

Limp mode on 2nd lap?!

Oh, yes... It's the modern sports car.
:rollseyes

PaulBailey@ltbmw · 12-13-2011, 02:39 PM

Want this!

aajami · 12-13-2011, 02:40 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Whostheboss

//M5 or //M6GrandCoupe? (if they make one)... that is the question.

Scott26 has confirmed that BMW is making one, and that it will be the flagship ///M car

Same engine from the F10 M5 and F12 M6, but tuned for slightly more power.

e46e92love · 12-13-2011, 02:42 PM

Limp mode on the second lap. Sorry but the S85 would not have gone into limp mode. This sounds like the same old 335i issues creeping up.....which is fine on an ///M5 as most won't see much track time, but if this is the basis for building the engine for the new ///M3, that is VERY troubling.

Cheers,
e46e92

E60orBust · 12-13-2011, 02:42 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Whostheboss

//M5 or //M6GrandCoupe? (if they make one)... that is the question.

That is not a question. I read earlier that the M6 Grand Coupe will come with ~30 more horsepower over the M5/6 when it comes out so the GC choice is obvious.

Now whether the M5/6 get an LCI update with a corresponding power boost to match the GC when it comes out is the proper question

e92_m3 · 12-13-2011, 02:49 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Questforpower

M5 FTW... but both going into limp mode tells me how worthy they are of being true track cars.

+1!

I think that's fine since not a lot of M5 owners go to the track anyways.

Quote:

Originally Posted by e46e92love

but if this is the basis for building the engine for the new ///M3, that is VERY troubling.

Cheers,
e46e92

Definitely something to think about...

Whostheboss · 12-13-2011, 02:58 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by aajami

Scott26 has confirmed that BMW is making one, and that it will be the flagship ///M car

Same engine from the F10 M5 and F12 M6, but tuned for slightly more power.

way to go BMW! thanks for the update

Quote:

Originally Posted by E60orBust

That is not a question. I read earlier that the M6 Grand Coupe will come with ~30 more horsepower over the M5/6 when it comes out so the GC choice is obvious.

Now whether the M5/6 get an LCI update with a corresponding power boost to match the GC when it comes out is the proper question

That would be crazy but I doubt there will be a power boost for //M5/6 lci.
Do you guys think //M5 will loose fan base due to //M6 GC?
(its almost like X5 //M vs. X6 //M)

Blindside_137 · 12-13-2011, 03:04 PM

the merc sounds ferocious though

esqu1re · 12-13-2011, 03:06 PM

So...limp mode...neither are track cars...good for a spirited run and highway hooning...

Cooolll, but wern't ///M cars more robust before?

lux · 12-13-2011, 03:11 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by aajami

Quote:

Originally Posted by Whostheboss

//M5 or //M6GrandCoupe? (if they make one)... that is the question.

Scott26 has confirmed that BMW is making one, and that it will be the flagship ///M car

Same engine from the F10 M5 and F12 M6, but tuned for slightly more power.

Any M5 deficit in HP can easily be addressed with an aftermarket tune. The interesting question is if the M Gran Coupe will weigh more and use upgraded engine internals. My guess is yes to the 1st question and no to the 2nd question.

SoCali E90 · 12-13-2011, 03:19 PM

really? limp mode?

Whostheboss · 12-13-2011, 03:23 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by lux

Any M5 deficit in HP can easily be addressed with an aftermarket tune. The interesting question is if the M Gran Coupe will weigh more and use upgraded engine internals. My guess is yes to the 1st question and no to the 2nd question.

My guess is they'll all use the new s63Tu no further tuning

cs4444 · 12-13-2011, 03:23 PM

"but both going into limp mode tells me how worthy they are of being true track cars."

No other review has mentioned anything similar, so I would not jump to conclusions based on one review....I’m not saying these are ideal track cars, but I read an article where M engineers said the F10 can go through 2 tanks of gas at race speed on the ring(25+ laps) before, any type of heating issue would be of consideration. Also BMW M has done massive multi day endurance test with the M6 on the ring. So for cars their size I would say they are more suited to the track than anything else of comparable size/weight.

PAMidge · 12-13-2011, 03:27 PM

That was the most boring video I ever watched.

Looks like both vehicles have some pretty sore spots with limp mode.

It'll be interesting to see if that happens when Top Gear gets their hands on them.

jalcantar2010 · 12-13-2011, 03:34 PM

Man sorry to say but cls63 amg all day ..

Yodaime · 12-13-2011, 03:36 PM

Everyone should know by now that Bmw is best handling/track and Merc is best straight line. Bmw needs to put their heads together to make a powerful super car. My big bros C63amg owns me no matter what even at 19 psi. When he took my car to the track. He said it handles way better than his. Case closed on my end.

Dntlvet · 12-13-2011, 03:37 PM

Hmmm M5

e36 · 12-13-2011, 03:38 PM

stop posting these m5 videos!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

i love that.

but the CLS sounded like a MONSTER!

cole328 · 12-13-2011, 03:47 PM

Maybe its just me, but they really could have "jazzed" up the exterior of the M5....it really is not that distinguishable from the basic 5 series disappointing (to me)

12-13-2011, 11:22 AM	#1
Jason Administrator Drives: E90 M3 Join Date: Mar 2005 Location: IoT Posts: 13,911 iTrader: (0)	F10 M5 vs. CLS63 AMG Shootout Video from CARshootout 2012 BIMMERPOST NEWS F10 M5 vs. CLS63 AMG Shootout Video from CARshootout 2012 84 COMMENTS Tweet CAR magazine's next issue is the January "Shootout" issue, and one of the most anticipated shootout comparisons is the F10 M5 versus the CLS63 AMG. This video clip from CAR features the two turbocharged V8 monsters battling it out on the road and on the track. At the helm is multiple South African racing champion and CAR magazine track tester, Deon Joubert. Check out the results of 560hp/501lb-ft (M5) versus 536hp/590lb-ft (CLS63) inside. Share this story OTHER STORIES YOU MIGHT LIKE More Official Images of 2014 BMW 5 Series LCI Facelift We Tour the BMW M Studio at M HQ and Get Up Close to Some F80 M3 Sedans First Real Life Look at BMW M6 Gran Coupe in Sakhir Orange and Frozen White Individual
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12-13-2011, 02:19 PM	#2
Whostheboss Captain Drives: a 9incher Join Date: Aug 2008 Location: Connecticut U.S. Posts: 708 iTrader: (0)	//M5 or //M6GrandCoupe? (if they make one)... that is the question. __________________ WHO'S THE BOSS

12-13-2011, 02:36 PM	#3
Q4P Colonel Drives: Too Much Join Date: Apr 2011 Location: World Posts: 2,302 iTrader: (0)	M5 FTW... but both going into limp mode tells me how worthy they are of being true track cars. __________________ 2jZ + RB26 + 4G63 + LS9 + N54 =

12-13-2011, 02:42 PM	#7
e46e92love Colonel Drives: e92 ///M3; X3 (wife's) Join Date: Nov 2007 Location: The East Side of Things Posts: 2,990 iTrader: (0)	Limp mode on the second lap. Sorry but the S85 would not have gone into limp mode. This sounds like the same old 335i issues creeping up.....which is fine on an ///M5 as most won't see much track time, but if this is the basis for building the engine for the new ///M3, that is VERY troubling. Cheers, e46e92 __________________ "...it's not about the money and not about the brand of the car, it's about handling,performance and passion......And that, no other car has all together like an M3........when you talk about the most complete car the M is invincible." --Tony Kanaan.

12-13-2011, 03:06 PM	#12
esqu1re Lieutenant Colonel Drives: M Coupe Join Date: Jul 2010 Location: East Coast Posts: 1,858 iTrader: (0)	So...limp mode...neither are track cars...good for a spirited run and highway hooning... Cooolll, but wern't ///M cars more robust before? __________________ ///M Coupe: RPI Scoop, OE Strut, CDV, Volk RE30, SS Brake Lines, Stromung Exhaust

12-13-2011, 02:38 PM	#4
dsbj I sweat pheromones Drives: e92 335i, retired SLK55 Join Date: Jul 2009 Location: NorCal Posts: 1,854 iTrader: (21)	Limp mode on 2nd lap?! Oh, yes... It's the modern sports car. :rollseyes

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12-13-2011, 03:04 PM	#11
Blindside_137 Colonel Drives: '09 E93 Space Gray 328 Join Date: Jun 2010 Location: Raleigh, NC Posts: 2,982 iTrader: (1)	the merc sounds ferocious though

12-13-2011, 03:19 PM	#14
SoCali E90 OOOOWEEEEE! Drives: 2011 AW 135i Sedan Join Date: Jan 2008 Location: Da Valley Posts: 2,838 iTrader: (10)	really? limp mode? __________________

12-13-2011, 03:23 PM	#16
cs4444 Private Drives: BMW Join Date: Jul 2010 Location: Philadelphia Posts: 80 iTrader: (0)	"but both going into limp mode tells me how worthy they are of being true track cars." No other review has mentioned anything similar, so I would not jump to conclusions based on one review....I’m not saying these are ideal track cars, but I read an article where M engineers said the F10 can go through 2 tanks of gas at race speed on the ring(25+ laps) before, any type of heating issue would be of consideration. Also BMW M has done massive multi day endurance test with the M6 on the ring. So for cars their size I would say they are more suited to the track than anything else of comparable size/weight.

12-13-2011, 03:27 PM	#17
PAMidge Saving Lives Since 2000 Drives: 2011 335xi & 2013 X3 28i Join Date: May 2007 Location: Northeast Posts: 1,876 iTrader: (2) Garage List 2011 e90 335xi [3.57] 2013 X3 28i [0.00]	That was the most boring video I ever watched. Looks like both vehicles have some pretty sore spots with limp mode. It'll be interesting to see if that happens when Top Gear gets their hands on them.

12-13-2011, 03:34 PM	#18
jalcantar2010 Private First Class Drives: alpine White E90 Join Date: May 2011 Location: Ca Posts: 144 iTrader: (0)	Man sorry to say but cls63 amg all day ..

12-13-2011, 03:37 PM	#20
Dntlvet Dntlvet Drives: 10 M3 Sedan,13 GT-R BE,13 Pors Join Date: Jul 2009 Location: Wisconsin Posts: 446 iTrader: (0)	Hmmm M5

12-13-2011, 03:38 PM	#21
e36 Private First Class Drives: BMWs Join Date: May 2005 Location: NJ Posts: 178 iTrader: (0)	stop posting these m5 videos!!!!!!!!!!!!!! i love that. but the CLS sounded like a MONSTER!

12-13-2011, 03:47 PM	#22
cole328 Second Lieutenant Drives: 2011 M3 Convertible Join Date: Oct 2010 Location: FL Posts: 274 iTrader: (0)	Maybe its just me, but they really could have "jazzed" up the exterior of the M5....it really is not that distinguishable from the basic 5 series disappointing (to me) Last edited by cole328; 12-13-2011 at 05:18 PM.

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