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      05-25-2012, 04:13 PM   #1
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Unhappy BMW M Carbon Ceramic Brakes for M5 and M6 Delayed Until Next Year - Worldwide

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M5 and M6 owners-to-be will have to wait just a bit longer for upgraded stopping power.

We have confirmed with BMW that the M Carbon Ceramic Brake system [full details] originally set for availability beginning with the 2013 Model Year M5 and M6 (starting July production) (see M5 Guide / M6 Guide), has been delayed until sometime in calendar year 2013.

There's no indication yet of when exactly in 2013 it will become available, and the new availability date applies not just to North America, but in all markets worldwide.


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      05-26-2012, 10:28 AM   #2
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BMW defers M5 ceramic brakes untill calendar year 2013

Carbon Ceramic Brakes won't be offered on US M5s until calendar year 2013. BMW has not confirmed when in 2013, so it's not certain if it will be available on MY2013 from January, or whether it will defer till MY2014 in July or August.
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will you be able to retrofit it, they should have a package to do that at a attractive price
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      05-28-2012, 08:37 AM   #4
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I haven't seen anyone post this on this board, so I thought I would share.

Carbon Ceramic Brakes won't be offered on US M5s until calendar year 2013. BMW has not confirmed when in 2013, so it's not certain if it will be available on MY2013 from January, or whether it will defer till MY2014 in July or August.
Thanks. Just confirmed this with BMW NA as well. Carbon ceramics will come in calendar year 2013 sometime.
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I haven't seen anyone post this on this board, so I thought I would share.

Carbon Ceramic Brakes won't be offered on US M5s until calendar year 2013. BMW has not confirmed when in 2013, so it's not certain if it will be available on MY2013 from January, or whether it will defer till MY2014 in July or August.
Thanks. Just confirmed this with BMW NA as well. Carbon ceramics will come in calendar year 2013 sometime.
Thanks for the confirm.
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      05-29-2012, 10:52 AM   #6
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will you be able to retrofit it, they should have a package to do that at a attractive price
I highly doubt this will happen as a factory option. I am sure they can be retrofitted but probably not for the asking option price of around $8000, going to guess it will cost in the range of $20,000 to retrofit. I for one am disappointed, no matter what anyone says about the "need" for ceramic breaks.
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will you be able to retrofit it, they should have a package to do that at a attractive price
I highly doubt this will happen as a factory option. I am sure they can be retrofitted but probably not for the asking option price of around $8000, going to guess it will cost in the range of $20,000 to retrofit. I for one am disappointed, no matter what anyone says about the "need" for ceramic breaks.
One can go aftermarket for carbon ceramic brakes for less than a factory retrofit will cost.
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One can go aftermarket for carbon ceramic brakes for less than a factory retrofit will cost.
And why would anyone want to do this?
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And why would anyone want to do this?
I didn't say it would be a better option, just a cheaper option than OEM retrofit for those who don't or couldn't order it from the factory.
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Any chance they'll get a proper fixed caliper in back???
A sliding caliper is just stupid in a $100,000 car!!!

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One can go aftermarket for carbon ceramic brakes for less than a factory retrofit will cost.
Who makes CCB for less than $8,000?

Because these Brembo's where WAY more than $8,000!!

http://www.m3post.com/forums/showthread.php?t=694545

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Any chance they'll get a proper fixed caliper in back???
A sliding caliper is just stupid in a $100,000 car!!!

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One can go aftermarket for carbon ceramic brakes for less than a factory retrofit will cost.
Who makes CCB for less than $8,000?

Because these Brembo's where WAY more than $8,000!!

http://www.m3post.com/forums/showthread.php?t=694545

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I was responding to the premise that a retrofit will be significantly more expensive (the person estimates $20k retrofit but i dont know how accurate that is) than what it costs as a factory order option ($8k).
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Of COURSE the retrofit will be more expensive; the upgrade is the marginal cost over the steel brake system, but unless you can find a buyback for your (used) steel brakes when you upgrade to carbon ceramic, you're essentially ending up with both brake sets, hence the added cost.

I wouldn't recommend an aftermarket setup since I figure the ABS and DSC systems would need to be recalibrated in order to function properly with carbon ceramic given they have vastly different properties -- unless you can also find someone who knows how to code the car appropriately.

$20K might be a bit high, but probably not outrageous. The carbon ceramic option on the M5/M6 was priced at $8700, which is similar to Porsche's upgrade pricing, and Porsche ceramic front rotors are $4K -- each. Double that, add the cost of rear rotors, a full set of pads, plus possibly new calipers, and I can see that reaching near $20K. In fact Porsche DOES offer a carbon ceramic retrofit kit, which might be a good reference point, but I don't have time to look its price up right now.

And all of this completely ignores that point that for a street car, carbon ceramics are ALL downsides except for reduced brake dust. Otherwise, you'll be dealing with squealing, obscenely expensive brake replacement (which I suspect will actually hurt resale from prospective second owners not wanting to have that looming on the horizon), and very fragile rotors that have to be replaced at huge cost if they're nicked by road debris or while mounting/unmounting a wheel. Carbon ceramic has no place on a street car IMHO, and even track junkies on the Porsche side end up switching back to a steel after damaging or wearing out a couple rotors because of the obscene cost. A steel BBK can often deliver similar fade resistance to carbon ceramic at a fraction of the cost.
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P.S., for anyone wondering, the delay on the carbon ceramic brakes is global, not just for the US market.
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P.S., for anyone wondering, the delay on the carbon ceramic brakes is global, not just for the US market.
Only M5 or M6 also?

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And why would anyone want to do this?
Lots of people.

We get them in our store every day.
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And why would anyone want to do this?
Maybe because its cheaper? And also because they dont want gold colored brakes on their car?
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Any chance they'll get a proper fixed caliper in back???
A sliding caliper is just stupid in a $100,000 car!!!



Who makes CCB for less than $8,000?

Because these Brembo's where WAY more than $8,000!!

http://www.m3post.com/forums/showthread.php?t=694545

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Hmm..actually Brembo would be cheaper, average is about $3000-$4000 for front or back for street applications and that is not including any discounts you get knocked off (even if its a few hundred bucks)
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Are the M5 for the US July production and scheduled for European Delivery included in this? If so what happens to those that have ordered them for Euro Delivery in September/October, will those M5 just come with the 20" and regular brakes?
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I wonder what their reasoning is for the delay.
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Are the M5 for the US July production and scheduled for European Delivery included in this? If so what happens to those that have ordered them for Euro Delivery in September/October, will those M5 just come with the 20" and regular brakes?
I would assume (and hope) that those prospective owners would have been contacted, informed of the delay, and offered a choice between delaying their order, canceling it, or accepting it without ceramics (and possibly without 20s if the owner would have gotten 19s if it hadn't been for the ceramics). If BMW just swaps in normal brakes without notifying people, they better be ready to refund people's deposits and accept people's refusal to take deliveries -- but even that would be bad customer service. Communication is key, and hopefully BMW understands that.
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I wonder what their reasoning is for the delay.
+1

Sounds like something pretty big happened for them to delay them that much time worldwide.
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