No Manual Transmission for Next Gen M5 Confirms BMW M Engineering Head - Page 2 - M5POST

YodaSyrup · 06-20-2012, 09:20 PM

What are people like me supposed to do? I've driven manual transmissions all my life. I have no idea of how to drive an automatic.

OdomPHD · 06-20-2012, 09:23 PM

Oh well, we all knew it was coming.

doc19 · 06-20-2012, 10:01 PM

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Originally Posted by doug_999

I'm curious why you two posted comments like this. Why exactly does the M5 having a manual transmission upset you?

Yeah, I don't get that either. It is not like having a manual option hurts those that don't see the point.

And to all those who don't understand wanting to drive a manual, why does anyone have to like anything? I like mechanical watches, sure there are digital watches (heck, my iPhone included) that keep better time, but I still prefer a good mechanical watch to anything else. And I prefer to row my own gears... sure technology can do it faster, but I just prefer it. Driving is not the same for me if I am not working 3 pedals. It's just not. Call me whatever you want, but it is what I like.

I think it is a shame, and I find it curious that BMW is making this public so far out in the future.

cmk227 · 06-20-2012, 10:10 PM

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Originally Posted by bimmerjph

Just Confirmed: I won't be buying the next generation M5!

I agree with you 100%.

Yogijet · 06-20-2012, 10:20 PM

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Originally Posted by YodaSyrup

What are people like me supposed to do? I've driven manual transmissions all my life. I have no idea of how to drive an automatic.

You sound like my mom, lol. Doesn't have a clue how to drive an automatic either.

cmk227 · 06-20-2012, 10:27 PM

Can you get a manual on an ///M6?

AbuArije5 · 06-20-2012, 10:36 PM

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Originally Posted by cmk227

Can you get a manual on an ///M6?

The current generation yes but next no

hinckley · 06-20-2012, 10:45 PM

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Originally Posted by cmk227

Can you get a manual on an ///M6?

No, not today. But it had been strongly hinted that one will be available next year.

uhn2000 · 06-20-2012, 10:54 PM

Get them while you can

Ordering mine in 6MT.

The Ridge · 06-20-2012, 10:57 PM

If you guys all want a manual then you would need to get 3 of your friends who will already be buying an M5 to also get one in a manual. Even then, you have to understand who the BULK of the buyers of BMW's are. They are not forum members or BMWCCA members. They are the silent majority in these conversations. Also the M5 is no longer a hardcore sports car. Its not a larger M3. If you want a true sports sedan then the M3 is the way to go. As the BMW spokesman said the M3 will always have a manual because it fits the character of the car.

red-sauerkraut · 06-20-2012, 11:00 PM

Who cares. Nothing like shifting with no Boost on tap.

I will take DCT. Period.

E9TOU · 06-20-2012, 11:10 PM

One of this M5's biggest differentiators (sp?) was that it came in optional manual. If the next gen M5 doesn't come with one then it just lost one of it's biggests assets and makes it much more similar to offerings from Mercedes and Audi...DCT's/Auto's w/TT V8's.

Disappointed to see that it won't be offered in manual..but BMW is a first and foremost a corporation and if they don't see a business case for it, then to bad for us folks who enjoying rowing our own gears.

jon328i · 06-20-2012, 11:21 PM

Oh come on BMW, keep the manual tranny in the M5 as an option, you can get back your development costs losses of the 6MT from profits in your other BMW products!

Enter Faster · 06-21-2012, 12:06 AM

It's just a terrible idea so many driving enthusiasts switched to BMW after Mercedes did this and now BMW is headed the wrong direction

Blubaron79 · 06-21-2012, 12:11 AM

Good. Computers do it better

The Ridge · 06-21-2012, 12:22 AM

Has anyone else acknowledge that this car won't be out till 2018 or 2019? we have absolutely no clue what the state of petroleum will be at that point. The car will most likely be a hybrid of some sort if not more combined

bimmerjph · 06-21-2012, 12:51 AM

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Originally Posted by Jblack4083

Thats unfortunate for anyone who exclusively drives M/T cars.

At the rate we're going a manual M3 will be the same size as an E60 or even F10 5series in the year 2020 anyway! All hope is not lost

+1 essentially what they are saying is that the 2017 M7 won't have a manual transmission. And its pretty obvious that the rumored ///M-Phantom will have a dual clutch also. Lol

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Originally Posted by doug_999

I'm curious why you two posted comments like this. Why exactly does the M5 having a manual transmission upset you?

IDK I guess it lowers the snob appeal. His friend in the E63 can say that his AMG is more refined because it doesn't have a stick option. I am like you though and can't understand why they would not want people to have the option to get the transmission they want.

BGM · 06-21-2012, 01:32 AM

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Originally Posted by YodaSyrup

What are people like me supposed to do? I've driven manual transmissions all my life. I have no idea of how to drive an automatic.

you just err... don't change gear

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Originally Posted by matthewEW

Who is BMW addressing this statement? The only reason my friends and I would even consider the M5 is because they are the only ones who have a high end Sedan who offer a manual, not Mercedes nor Audi. I am glad I have ordered the 2013 M5 manual. Next higher Sedan model I get will most definitely be an AMG Merc -- much better than an M5 dual clutch "auto" ha ha.

why do people still want manuals? is it 'cool' or something to drive a manual.. ?

my thinking is that whichever is 'rarer' is the most desirable in country x... so that is AT more desirable in UK and Europe, and MT more desirable in USA

but which is 'better'? well, imo, AT is the clear winner.. i just don't understand why anyone would want to bother with a MT.. i've driven one for all my cars prior to my current one and i certainly won't be going back!

AlexanderR · 06-21-2012, 01:36 AM

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Originally Posted by E9TOU

One of this M5's biggest differentiators (sp?) was that it came in optional manual. If the next gen M5 doesn't come with one then it just lost one of it's biggests assets and makes it much more similar to offerings from Mercedes and Audi...DCT's/Auto's w/TT V8's.

Disappointed to see that it won't be offered in manual..but BMW is a first and foremost a corporation and if they don't see a business case for it, then to bad for us folks who enjoying rowing our own gears.

I totally agree with this. But I am not understanding why there are all these M/T haters, Like others have said having the option wont hurt anyone, just because your too lazy to shift in traffic or whatever your reason for not liking a M/T dosnt mean you have to ruin it for the rest of us.

JohnMan · 06-21-2012, 01:40 AM

I'm less concerned about the lack of MT in the next M5 than the overall trend of BMW to make each generation of their 5 series seemingly less and less driver-orientated. At this rate, BMW will just turned into Mercedes and M will just be BMW's version of AMG. Just a regular model with bigger engines and more powerful brakes. At that point, will BMW still be the "ultimate driving machine" if it is no different to Mercedes or Audi? There will be little point in buying a BMW as it will become just a generic brand with little distinguish it from it's competitors. But surely BMW won't fall to that level. They do realize what makes their cars so attractive.....or do they?

Rolitto · 06-21-2012, 01:55 AM

Manual gearbox is fun when driving BMW cars like the E30 or at most E36. Newer models are anti-drifting and thus have eliminated the fun part. For this reason I see no reason why we should get a manual gearbox when an auto, SMG, or DCT are way faster and more fun to use.

visualguy · 06-21-2012, 02:17 AM

Rationally speaking, the automatic/DCT is superior in a car like the new M5 in almost all driving situations - no doubt about that. However, driving the manual well provides some measure of fun and satisfaction that you don't get with the automatic. It makes driving less boring.

Having said that, it's not easy to decide what to get on a beast like the M5. It does seem that the manual may compromise this highly tuned machine. I'm a big manual transmission fan, but I have this nagging feeling that it makes more sense in a car like the VW GTI or Subaru BRZ than the M5.

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red-sauerkraut . Drives: m-car / x-car Join Date: Oct 2007 Location: northern hemisphere Posts: 2,746 iTrader: (0)	Who cares. Nothing like shifting with no Boost on tap. I will take DCT. Period. __________________ Joy

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06-20-2012, 09:20 PM	#23
YodaSyrup Private Drives: W220 S55, F10 535 Join Date: May 2011 Location: VA USA Posts: 60 iTrader: (0)	What are people like me supposed to do? I've driven manual transmissions all my life. I have no idea of how to drive an automatic.

06-20-2012, 10:57 PM	#32
The Ridge Enlisted Member Drives: 2011 Z4 35is Atacama/Citrus Join Date: Dec 2011 Location: PDX Posts: 30 iTrader: (0)	If you guys all want a manual then you would need to get 3 of your friends who will already be buying an M5 to also get one in a manual. Even then, you have to understand who the BULK of the buyers of BMW's are. They are not forum members or BMWCCA members. They are the silent majority in these conversations. Also the M5 is no longer a hardcore sports car. Its not a larger M3. If you want a true sports sedan then the M3 is the way to go. As the BMW spokesman said the M3 will always have a manual because it fits the character of the car.

06-20-2012, 11:10 PM	#34
E9TOU Second Lieutenant Drives: 2010 E92 335i Join Date: Apr 2008 Location: Goleta, CA Posts: 235 iTrader: (0) Garage List 2010 BMW E92 335 [4.00]	One of this M5's biggest differentiators (sp?) was that it came in optional manual. If the next gen M5 doesn't come with one then it just lost one of it's biggests assets and makes it much more similar to offerings from Mercedes and Audi...DCT's/Auto's w/TT V8's. Disappointed to see that it won't be offered in manual..but BMW is a first and foremost a corporation and if they don't see a business case for it, then to bad for us folks who enjoying rowing our own gears.

06-20-2012, 11:21 PM	#35
jon328i Wheelmaster Drives: E90 6MT Join Date: Sep 2010 Location: Los Angeles Posts: 440 iTrader: (7)	Oh come on BMW, keep the manual tranny in the M5 as an option, you can get back your development costs losses of the 6MT from profits in your other BMW products!

06-21-2012, 12:06 AM	#36
Enter Faster New Member Drives: 2012 335i Join Date: Jun 2012 Location: NJ Posts: 19 iTrader: (0)	It's just a terrible idea so many driving enthusiasts switched to BMW after Mercedes did this and now BMW is headed the wrong direction

06-21-2012, 12:22 AM	#38
The Ridge Enlisted Member Drives: 2011 Z4 35is Atacama/Citrus Join Date: Dec 2011 Location: PDX Posts: 30 iTrader: (0)	Has anyone else acknowledge that this car won't be out till 2018 or 2019? we have absolutely no clue what the state of petroleum will be at that point. The car will most likely be a hybrid of some sort if not more combined

06-21-2012, 01:40 AM	#42
JohnMan Lieutenant Drives: E90 325i Join Date: Sep 2010 Location: Hong Kong Posts: 424 iTrader: (0)	I'm less concerned about the lack of MT in the next M5 than the overall trend of BMW to make each generation of their 5 series seemingly less and less driver-orientated. At this rate, BMW will just turned into Mercedes and M will just be BMW's version of AMG. Just a regular model with bigger engines and more powerful brakes. At that point, will BMW still be the "ultimate driving machine" if it is no different to Mercedes or Audi? There will be little point in buying a BMW as it will become just a generic brand with little distinguish it from it's competitors. But surely BMW won't fall to that level. They do realize what makes their cars so attractive.....or do they?

06-21-2012, 01:55 AM	#43
Rolitto Second Lieutenant Drives: BMW Join Date: Aug 2008 Location: Beirut and Canada Posts: 238 iTrader: (0)	Manual gearbox is fun when driving BMW cars like the E30 or at most E36. Newer models are anti-drifting and thus have eliminated the fun part. For this reason I see no reason why we should get a manual gearbox when an auto, SMG, or DCT are way faster and more fun to use.

06-21-2012, 02:17 AM	#44
visualguy Private First Class Drives: S5/M5 Join Date: Jun 2012 Location: CA Posts: 184 iTrader: (0)	Rationally speaking, the automatic/DCT is superior in a car like the new M5 in almost all driving situations - no doubt about that. However, driving the manual well provides some measure of fun and satisfaction that you don't get with the automatic. It makes driving less boring. Having said that, it's not easy to decide what to get on a beast like the M5. It does seem that the manual may compromise this highly tuned machine. I'm a big manual transmission fan, but I have this nagging feeling that it makes more sense in a car like the VW GTI or Subaru BRZ than the M5.