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      11-04-2012, 06:00 PM   #111
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He gave me that as a possible (& untested) solution too but my preference is NOT to use spacer. I don't want another possible issue if the spacer may create vibration as well.

Anyway, the shop owner really went beyond and did me a huge favor by solving the problem with out charging me a cent.



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Christ trying to find 19" wheels that actually fit the F10 M5 has become such an issue that I am left believing that the best option by far is to just get a set of the OEM 19" wheels. Now I just have to find the best price.
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[quote=bobblehead]He gave me that as a possible (& untested) solution too but my preference is NOT to use spacer. I don't want another possible issue if the spacer may create vibration as well.

Anyway, the shop owner really went beyond and did me a huge favor by solving the problem with out charging me a cent.



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Could you have used a 5mm spacer instead?
Wow. I would have used a 10mm spacer in the rear. Helps clear the brakes and makes the rear wheel appear like proper offset and not pushed in.

Not sure about grinding calipers. Sounds risky. And the rear will sti look funny.
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Tell me about it. If you have read thru my past posts on 19", this is the absolute nightmare finding what will fit.

Anyway, like my earlier post said. If you go stock, say 345M, the rear must be 19 * 10. I went with 19 * 9, thinking if the front clears the front massive caliper, then there should be no issue whatsoever for the rear (as it's a few mm smaller than the front).

The real culprit of the rear is the caliper housing which has a protuding odd shape (rather than totally square) and it is that odd shape that ends up grinding my 19 * 9 wheel. It is not a deep line but I say is a 1 to 1.5mm scoring line on the wheel when the shop rotates it which was enough to take off the whee's clear coat.

Lastly, aside from the stock 19", PYSpeed (online vendor) confirmed the Arkym J12 19" wheel cleared the front & rear. Be preapred to dig into your piggybank, they are over $5000 for a set. The other one that IND has on the M5 show car also has BBS FI 19" and it cleared the front & rear as well. Aside from these two, no other wheel makers have step up to the plate to confirm whether their 19" will clear or not.



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Christ trying to find 19" wheels that actually fit the F10 M5 has become such an issue that I am left believing that the best option by far is to just get a set of the OEM 19" wheels. Now I just have to find the best price.
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      11-04-2012, 09:21 PM   #115
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I am talking about the blue painted caliper metal housing. The shop owner grinds off enough for the wheel to clear and then he painted the affected area with blue paint (close enough color to match). In all, the brake was not touched.




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He gave me that as a possible (& untested) solution too but my preference is NOT to use spacer. I don't want another possible issue if the spacer may create vibration as well.

Anyway, the shop owner really went beyond and did me a huge favor by solving the problem with out charging me a cent.




Wow. I would have used a 10mm spacer in the rear. Helps clear the brakes and makes the rear wheel appear like proper offset and not pushed in.

Not sure about grinding calipers. Sounds risky. And the rear will sti look funny.
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      11-05-2012, 05:56 AM   #116
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Lastly, aside from the stock 19", PYSpeed (online vendor) confirmed the Arkym J12 19" wheel cleared the front & rear. Be preapred to dig into your piggybank, they are over $5000 for a set. The other one that IND has on the M5 show car also has BBS FI 19" and it cleared the front & rear as well. Aside from these two, no other wheel makers have step up to the plate to confirm whether their 19" will clear or not.
Alufelgen has told me their 19's (either version) will work and that they have tested them already on an F10 M5. So I've ordered a set and will report back in a couple of weeks. They're 19x9.5" ET35. $1099+shipping for the rims.
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Please do, so the others will know what 19" fits out there !



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Alufelgen has told me their 19's (either version) will work and that they have tested them already on an F10 M5. So I've ordered a set and will report back in a couple of weeks. They're 19x9.5" ET35. $1099+shipping for the rims.
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Alufelgen has told me their 19's (either version) will work and that they have tested them already on an F10 M5. So I've ordered a set and will report back in a couple of weeks. They're 19x9.5" ET35. $1099+shipping for the rims.
That rear offset doesn't sound right. Suppose a spacer will be needed.
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That rear offset doesn't sound right. Suppose a spacer will be needed.
I just spoke to them and relayed all these experiences with 19's that don't fit - he promised to double-check and report back to me. I will post up what I hear.
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Ok guys here is my dilemma:

1) Buy the 20s Dunlops Winter (love them) for the stock rims. - out of pocket is $1800 (delivered)
2) Buy the BMW 345M 19s for my existing Dunlops Winter Set - out of pocket is $3500 (delivered)

I drive about 12,000kms a year and most of my driving is in the city - downtown etc.

Thoughts? I am leaning towards the 20s just for the look rather then anything... I am pretty careful with my rims but I know the proper thing to do is get another "set" for the winter. I used the same rims for my Targa for 2 winters and not once scratch or ding on them.
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Ok guys here is my dilemma:

1) Buy the 20s Dunlops Winter (love them) for the stock rims. - out of pocket is $1800 (delivered)
2) Buy the BMW 345M 19s for my existing Dunlops Winter Set - out of pocket is $3500 (delivered)

I drive about 12,000kms a year and most of my driving is in the city - downtown etc.

Thoughts? I am leaning towards the 20s just for the look rather then anything... I am pretty careful with my rims but I know the proper thing to do is get another "set" for the winter. I used the same rims for my Targa for 2 winters and not once scratch or ding on them.
Get the BMW OEM recommended winter wheel (model 408). I just received mine. They offer the best of both worlds - very similar look to the 343s in a 19" wheel with narrower rear so you can run a 4-square set-up on the tires. Tischer BMW has them for $2,150 for the set (before delivery cost).
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Tell me about it. If you have read thru my past posts on 19", this is the absolute nightmare finding what will fit.

Anyway, like my earlier post said. If you go stock, say 345M, the rear must be 19 * 10. I went with 19 * 9, thinking if the front clears the front massive caliper, then there should be no issue whatsoever for the rear (as it's a few mm smaller than the front).

The real culprit of the rear is the caliper housing which has a protuding odd shape (rather than totally square) and it is that odd shape that ends up grinding my 19 * 9 wheel. It is not a deep line but I say is a 1 to 1.5mm scoring line on the wheel when the shop rotates it which was enough to take off the whee's clear coat.

Lastly, aside from the stock 19", PYSpeed (online vendor) confirmed the Arkym J12 19" wheel cleared the front & rear. Be preapred to dig into your piggybank, they are over $5000 for a set. The other one that IND has on the M5 show car also has BBS FI 19" and it cleared the front & rear as well. Aside from these two, no other wheel makers have step up to the plate to confirm whether their 19" will clear or not.
Thanks for the info chief. Wondering if the below rubber will fit the 345Ms.

235/35R 19 XL Dunlop SP - Winter Sport 3D
295/30ZR 19 XL Dunlop SP - Winter Sport 3D

Thanks all for your help...

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Your front is not the correct sizing at all. Your speedo is way off 7% and the overall diameter is off by 6.7%,

The front: 265/40/19 is the correct size. Alternative is 255/40/19

Your rear is not the correct sizing either. Your speedo is off 3.8% and the overall diameter is off by 3.7%.

The rear: 265/40/19 is the correct size. Alternative is 255/40/19
for staggered: 295/35/19 is the correct size - which the 19 * 10 will fit for sure

Looks like you will need a complete set of new tires.


FYI: I am running square. 265/40/19 - Michelin PA4 - $1750 Cdn (all in) @ Simply Tires (North York).

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Thanks for the info chief. Wondering if the below rubber will fit the 345Ms.

235/35R 19 XL Dunlop SP - Winter Sport 3D
295/30ZR 19 XL Dunlop SP - Winter Sport 3D

Thanks all for your help...

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Your front is not the correct sizing at all. Your speedo is way off 7% and the overall diameter is off by 6.7%,

The front: 265/40/19 is the correct size. Alternative is 255/40/19

Your rear is not the correct sizing either. Your speedo is off 3.8% and the overall diameter is off by 3.7%.

The rear: 265/40/19 is the correct size. Alternative is 255/40/19
for staggered: 295/35/19 is the correct size - which the 19 * 10 will fit for sure

Looks like you will need a complete set of new tires.


FYI: I am running square. 265/40/19 - Michelin PA4 - $1750 Cdn (all in) @ Simply Tires (North York).

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You are a massive wealth of information. Thanks for your help.
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^ Just doing my part in helping others. Making sure they know what possible fitment issues are out there before making the buy.

Like I said earlier, nobody wants to get stuck with a $4-5000 'coffee table', i.e. 4 wheels that don't fit.
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^ Just doing my part in helping others. Making sure they know what possible fitment issues are out there before making the buy.

Like I said earlier, nobody wants to get stuck with a $4-5000 'coffee table', i.e. 4 wheels that don't fit.
Ha this sounds familiar but with cars I sell more then anything LOL! (I have a collection of winters just incase hahaha) I am going rubber only for the M5and actually going to use Simply Tire - great price and got me the exact spec I need.

Will see how it turns out and see the options for spacers at time of install. Just under 3 weeks to take delivery. !!
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Since you are going to Simply Tire, if you speak to Allen (owner), he can definitely give you the humor side of my whole tire/wheel saga (which started around the summer when I was looking for winter setup).




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Ha this sounds familiar but with cars I sell more then anything LOL! (I have a collection of winters just incase hahaha) I am going rubber only for the M5and actually going to use Simply Tire - great price and got me the exact spec I need.

Will see how it turns out and see the options for spacers at time of install. Just under 3 weeks to take delivery. !!
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Michelin 20 inch winter option

For those of us who would like to run a winter tire on the stock 20's. I found these Pilot Alpins. Seems like they would fit perfectly. Anyone have any thoughts? Michelin Pilot Alpin

Comes in a 295/30/20 for the rear and a 245/35/20 for the front.
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I decided to order the BMW winter wheel and tire package for the M5 from my local dealer today. Rims are 19x9 (408s) and closely resemble the 20" factory wheels. Tires are Dunlap Winter Sports size 255 40s. The Package Cost me $3,650.72 including tax. I also confirmed that because these are factory supplied wheels and tires that the wheel/tire warranty I purchased for my original wheels/tires also covers the winter setup. Your thoughts on the setup and price?
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Alufelgen has told me their 19's (either version) will work and that they have tested them already on an F10 M5. So I've ordered a set and will report back in a couple of weeks. They're 19x9.5" ET35. $1099+shipping for the rims.
Alufelgen cannot get their 19's to fit the rear. They had only tested the fronts originally.
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I decided to order the BMW winter wheel and tire package for the M5 from my local dealer today. Rims are 19x9 (408s) and closely resemble the 20" factory wheels. Tires are Dunlap Winter Sports size 255 40s. The Package Cost me $3,650.72 including tax. I also confirmed that because these are factory supplied wheels and tires that the wheel/tire warranty I purchased for my original wheels/tires also covers the winter setup. Your thoughts on the setup and price?
I ordered the same setup but with sottozeros. Price sounds good. I assume that includes TPMS?
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For those of us who would like to run a winter tire on the stock 20's. I found these Pilot Alpins. Seems like they would fit perfectly. Anyone have any thoughts? Michelin Pilot Alpin

Comes in a 295/30/20 for the rear and a 245/35/20 for the front.
245's wont fit the front rims as per Michelin.
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