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      12-20-2012, 01:17 PM   #45
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Installing a set of Macht Schnell spacers tomorrow on a F10 M5, we'll very on our end as well.
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      12-20-2012, 01:19 PM   #46
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Gotta get beter pics of it though......
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So let me get this right. We have the best German M engineers log in thousands of miles on the ring to ensure this car performs anywhere in the world but we shade tree engineers what to screw up their work with spacers? Really? The thing is perfect from the factory. Leave it alone. along with painted reflectors and all that trash you guys do.

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The car is perfect as it is. Leave it alone.
Look at ALL German cars and you will see that the wheels are tucked under the fenders more than they need to be. This is true for even the top end performance models. This is because TUV standards require enough clearance for vehicles to have snow chains installed. Without this limitation, you could easily increase the track of most vehicles at least 10mm per side, if not significantly more.

Furthermore, you are ignoring the variation in wheels and tires on the same model in certain cases. Did you know that on a Porsche Cayenne GTS the standard wheel/tire is a 275/45/20 on a 9.5" wheel. The optional factory sport design wheel is 10" wide with a 295/35/21 tire and a more aggressive offset. This is no different than adding a spacer.

All manufacturers work within certain constraints, even on high end cars. Best thing to do is to become educated so you can know where you can change things for the better and where you can't.
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Look at ALL German cars and you will see that the wheels are tucked under the fenders more than they need to be. This is true for even the top end performance models. This is because TUV standards require enough clearance for vehicles to have snow chains installed. Without this limitation, you could easily increase the track of most vehicles at least 10mm per side, if not significantly more.

Furthermore, you are ignoring the variation in wheels and tires on the same model in certain cases. Did you know that on a Porsche Cayenne GTS the standard wheel/tire is a 275/45/20 on a 9.5" wheel. The optional factory sport design wheel is 10" wide with a 295/35/21 tire and a more aggressive offset. This is no different than adding a spacer.

All manufacturers work within certain constraints, even on high end cars. Best thing to do is to become educated so you can know where you can change things for the better and where you can't.
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Do i need to use extended lug bolts? I am planning to use the H&R spacers 10mm and 12mm. Please help
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So let me get this right. We have the best German M engineers log in thousands of miles on the ring to ensure this car performs anywhere in the world but we shade tree engineers what to screw up their work with spacers? Really? The thing is perfect from the factory. Leave it alone. along with painted reflectors and all that trash you guys do.

In closing:

The car is perfect as it is. Leave it alone.
There is always room for improvement
Every improvement you claim has a compromise. So spacer away!
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So let me get this right. We have the best German M engineers log in thousands of miles on the ring to ensure this car performs anywhere in the world but we shade tree engineers what to screw up their work with spacers? Really? The thing is perfect from the factory. Leave it alone. along with painted reflectors and all that trash you guys do.

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The car is perfect as it is. Leave it alone.
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Do i need to use extended lug bolts? I am planning to use the H&R spacers 10mm and 12mm. Please help
Yes, I would get extended bolts. When you buy macht schnell you get them with the spacers and I would assume the same about other companies.
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So let me get this right. We have the best German M engineers log in thousands of miles on the ring to ensure this car performs anywhere in the world but we shade tree engineers what to screw up their work with spacers? Really? The thing is perfect from the factory. Leave it alone. along with painted reflectors and all that trash you guys do.

In closing:

The car is perfect as it is. Leave it alone.
In one of every 20 thread, we get preachers like this that contribute zero to the OP's queries and stir up debate!

Go away please!
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sry to bring this back from the dead.

i just received my MS spacers in 10mm and 12mm. I was surprised to see the new lug bolts found in the 12mm and 10mm sets are exactly the same length and width. I was expecting the bolts in the 12mm set to be slightly longer.

Is this the same for you guys??

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Every time I've bought spacers I've received longer bolts. Only when I had 7mm spacers I was able to use the same ones. You need longer ones
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So let me get this right. We have the best German M engineers log in thousands of miles on the ring to ensure this car performs anywhere in the world but we shade tree engineers what to screw up their work with spacers? Really? The thing is perfect from the factory. Leave it alone. along with painted reflectors and all that trash you guys do.

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The car is perfect as it is. Leave it alone.
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