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      09-10-2013, 03:43 PM   #1
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Modesta BC-05 Glass Coating

Professionally detailed by Paul Dalton at Miracle Detail. Protected with Modesta BC-05 on the paintwork, wheels & exhaust tips. Glass, tyres & plastics protected with various GTechniq sealants.

The pictures do not do the gloss justice. The video Paul has posted on YouTube provides a better view of the level of gloss:



I've included a couple of pictures of the self-cleaning properties of the Modesta Glass Coating.
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      09-20-2013, 11:50 AM   #2
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Modesta is becoming more and more popular, I can't wait to try it out!

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This product is sprayed on correct? Can anyone comment on durability thus far?

I was hoping for the look of Cquartz Finest but the durability of Optocoat 2.0

I'm currently 12 months into 22PLE and so far it's held up very well here in hot, humid Houston.
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Interesting. Car looks amazing. Can you post pictures after you do your first "Water Blast". If I read correctly, once applied you don't have to use soap to wash the car?
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This product is sprayed on correct? Can anyone comment on durability thus far?

I was hoping for the look of Cquartz Finest but the durability of Optocoat 2.0

I'm currently 12 months into 22PLE and so far it's held up very well here in hot, humid Houston.
BC-06 is sprayed on (heat resistant to 1300 deg. C - can be used on wheels/exhaust, but overkill IMO).

BC-03 (hydrophilic) & BC-05 (hydrophobic) are applied similar fashion to 22PLE (although I believe BC-03 utilises wet microfiber to remove residue), however, care/experience is advised/needed as best to apply as a thick coating and has potential to go very wrong (my car has the P-01A primer, so Paul said total coating thickness should be 3-5 microns assuming worst case).

I have only had it on my car for 6 weeks so cannot comment on durability yet, however, it fully hardens over 2 weeks, so the gloss has improved from the pictures/video above. Finish is optically clear.

I have previous had GTechniq C1 + EXO on my cars (easily got 2 years plus from that if professionally applied), and initial impressions are that Modesta BC-05 will simple blow that combo away.

BC-05 is heat resistant to 1000 deg. C - the only thing sticking to my paintwork is tree sap (can easily be knocked off with finger nail - with care) - tar is not sticking (it's simply removed with slightly firm pressure on wash mitt) and so far I have no baked on brake dust spots on the wheels, although have only done 900-ish miles.

Only thing it's not able to do is add much noticeable resistance to stone/rock chips - which F10 paintwork seems to be quite susceptible to. I didn't go with a paint shield/clear bra as I didn't like the finish of the films.

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Interesting. Car looks amazing. Can you post pictures after you do your first "Water Blast". If I read correctly, once applied you don't have to use soap to wash the car?
It may be possible to wash with water alone, however, I use shampoo/soap. Only downside is that Modesta shampoo works out very expensive at 1:10 dilution ratio (via bucket with grit guard & mitt, can be 27 (converts to $43 - USD) per wash)

I use Zaino Z7 instead, dry and then wipe down sparingly with Modesta M1SHOT quick detailer after every wash.

Not sure if you are thinking of BC-03 - this is hydrophilic, so has strong self cleaning properties. Feedback Paul has had from his customers suggest that cars protected with BC-03 are hardly getting dirty in the first place. Modesta do, however, produce a detergent for BC-03.

I have BC-05 which behaves like normal glass/ceramic sealants, i.e. some self cleaning, however, does need agitation with wash mitt and not just water via pressure washer to fully clean.

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In terms of blowing other glass/ceramic coatings away, see video, although no way I'm trying this on my own car.

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Aston Martin in BC-03 - detailed by Paul Dalton. Gloss on this looks nuts

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this guys gloss is insane. Wish he lived close by!
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this guys gloss is insane. Wish he lived close by!
He's phenomenally expensive I'm sure. Celebrity detailers are always over the top! This is a guy some people fly in to detail their cars.

On another note our Cargo reached Baltimore last night!
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If spiny were driving that ship, it would have arrived to Houston already.
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Thanks for posting about MC-05. I found a detailer near me! I think i may give it a try.
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Thanks for posting about MC-05. I found a detailer near me! I think i may give it a try.
If you're in Houston then that detailer would be my guy. I'm set to be the first in Texas with BC-06 but the cost is extreme and not sure I'm going to do it since my 22PLE is only 1 year old. The PC01+BC-06+M1 (I think I listed those correctly) costs alone are way up there. Easily 15 hours of work too. PM me if you haven't already gotten a quote
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Thanks for posting about MC-05. I found a detailer near me! I think i may give it a try.
You're welcome, it's the best sealant I've ever experienced. I haven't washed my car (apart from the wheels) for 5 weeks now - it's been parked up for a week and the rain has actually removed most of the bug splatter from the front bumper.

The wheels were exceptionally dirty, and they came up looking like the picture above with just Zaino shampoo, microfiber wash mitt and detailing brushes.

It is expensive, however, I haven't regretted it (ensure you pick an experienced detailer though).

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I'm set to be the first in Texas with BC-06 but the cost is extreme and not sure I'm going to do it since my 22PLE is only 1 year old. The PC01+BC-06+M1 (I think I listed those correctly) costs alone are way up there. Easily 15 hours of work too.
My car took 20 hours to complete (wheels removed & fully coated), but that was from being almost factory fresh (90-ish miles), hence very little contamination, and did include glass & plastics using other sealants.

As a tip, you may want to try M1SHOT as a QD over the 22PLE. M1 can be layered
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Can you explain the below ?

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As a tip, you may want to try M1SHOT as a QD over the 22PLE. M1 can be layered
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I'm set to be the first in Texas with BC-06 but the cost is extreme and not sure I'm going to do it since my 22PLE is only 1 year old. The PC01+BC-06+M1 (I think I listed those correctly) costs alone are way up there. Easily 15 hours of work too.
My car took 20 hours to complete (wheels removed & fully coated), but that was from being almost factory fresh (90-ish miles), hence very little contamination, and did include glass & plastics using other sealants.

As a tip, you may want to try M1SHOT as a QD over the 22PLE. M1 can be layered
Thanks! I've been layering Zaino Z-7 over it with good results but I bet the M1 is way superior optically and probably longer lasting.

I'm considering polishing off the 22PLE and going for the BC-06 over entire car, wheels, and exhaust tips. You mentioned you thought the BC-06 was overkill. Even for wheels and exhaust you think?
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Can you explain the below ?
Yes, sorry, M1 will blow away other quick detailing sprays, so it may be worth a go over other sealants. It's never going to be as good as a stand alone product over the modesta glass coatings then M1 to maintain. If you do decide to go with modesta I would recommend P-01A primer plus either BC-03 or BC-05 (depends on what your hoping to achieve).

The modesta shampoo restores the glass coating properties but is way too expensive, hence, why I went P-01A+BC-05+M1.
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Thanks! yes, was planning on the primer and Bc-5. What's the benefit of 3 over 5 ?
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Thanks! I've been layering Zaino Z-7 over it with good results but I bet the M1 is way superior optically and probably longer lasting.

I'm considering polishing off the 22PLE and going for the BC-06 over entire car, wheels, and exhaust tips. You mentioned you thought the BC-06 was overkill. Even for wheels and exhaust you think?
Assuming you mean Z-8 (grand finale)? Awesome stuff, works very well on metallic black (wife's car has ZAIO + 3 coats of ZFX+Z5 maintained with Z-8). Optically the Z-8 probably has the edge in terms of providing wet look on darker colours, M1 ahead in terms of sealant tech. May be worth a go before you remove the 22ple. Note that if you apply modesta glass coating and let it cure, you will struggle to remove (feedback I've had from the pro detailers).

BC-06 is good, overkill comment was in regards to heat resistance; I don't believe stock exhausts & wheels/brake dust get to 1300 deg C (I don't track mine & stand to be corrected)?

BC-03 & BC-05 are the more developed glass coatings and, hence, more expensive. Note that modesta is based on an industrial mould release agent/coating used in Japan, then developed for automotive paintwork to protect inferior (to BMW) paint in relatively harsh environmental conditions (compared with UK at least). BC-06 will work very well on paintwork, exhaust & wheels, 03 & 05 can be considered the next step up.

I'll try and find the facts sheet and post here later today.

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Thanks! yes, was planning on the primer and Bc-5. What's the benefit of 3 over 5 ?
Primer has some filling properties, however, your detailer should machine polish first. The primer provides most of the coating thickness. Most other coatings will be a fraction of a micron.

Think of 3 as something you would apply to skyscraper windows, i.e. leave it alone, exceptional self cleaning, needs specific modesta shampoo to restore hyrdophilic properties (no idea how frequently). Car will hardly get dirty in the first place.

Think of 5 as normal hydrophobic glass sealant, can wash with any decent PH balanced shampoo, etc. More frequent maintenance than 3, but perhaps easier.

In terms of finish, both 3 & 5 will provide a liquid gloss type look (the darker the colour, the greater the depth) bear in mind that most of the gloss will come from the finish to the paint underneath, hence, the Aston has a better starting point than BMW (would have to wet sand out the BMW orange peel to get the best looking finish).

I will get some feedback from Paul as to what he recommends.

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