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      01-31-2013, 08:43 AM   #1
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ECU TUNiNG ... WHAT ARE YOU AFRAID OF?

I've become a little bored of my M5 so now I'm looking to increase the HP!!
I'm already running the MEISTERSCHAFT GTC + LXR PIPE which I'm extremely happy with ...

So I'm thinking about doing a stage 1 ECU tune with the factory DP's ...
However I've been going back and forth whether I should do the ECU tune or not but honestly I'm afraid of the following :

1. Can my dealer detect it the tune?
2. How reliable is the ECU tune?
3. Will there be a engine light?
4. In California we run 91 octane - will that be a problem?
5. Will I really FEEL a substantial difference?
6. What's the actuall power increase?

WHAT ARE YOU AFRAID OF?
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I've become a little bored of my M5 so now I'm looking to increase the HP!!
I'm already running the MEISTERSCHAFT GTC + LXR PIPE which I'm extremely happy with ...

So I'm thinking about doing a stage 1 ECU tune with the factory DP's ...
However I've been going back and forth whether I should do the ECU tune or not but honestly I'm afraid of the following :

1. Can my dealer detect it the tune?
2. How reliable is the ECU tune?
3. Will there be a engine light?
4. In California we run 91 octane - will that be a problem?
5. Will I really FEEL a substantial difference?
6. What's the actuall power increase?

WHAT ARE YOU AFRAID OF?
So what are you going to do when you are bored of your tuned M5?

Also, the car is already significantly traction limited for the amount of power it has in stock form. I would put money into some aftermarket wheels and wider tires before anything else on this car.

Think about it.....what will an ECU tune do? The traction/stability mechansims are just going to kick in that much sooner and make all that extra power completely superfluous. With the DSC off, the stock tires will just spin endlessly and/or create dangerous uncontrolled conditions at higher speed.

My vote is to get more rubber to the ground.
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      01-31-2013, 09:25 AM   #3
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Nothing. Just waiting for a real tune to come out. ESS is currently working on one
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Nothing. Just waiting for a real tune to come out. ESS is currently working on one
I like what Nate said. Lol
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So what are you going to do when you are bored of your tuned M5?

Also, the car is already significantly traction limited for the amount of power it has in stock form. I would put money into some aftermarket wheels and wider tires before anything else on this car.

Think about it.....what will an ECU tune do? The traction/stability mechansims are just going to kick in that much sooner and make all that extra power completely superfluous. With the DSC off, the stock tires will just spin endlessly and/or create dangerous uncontrolled conditions at higher speed.

My vote is to get more rubber to the ground.
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... I don't know how to explain to my wife WHY I need the extra ponies
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... I don't know how to explain to my wife WHY I need the extra ponies
better to ask for forgiveness than permission 😃
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      01-31-2013, 12:15 PM   #8
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You have read my mind! I know I want the tune but I think I'm gonna wait for the answers to the same questions you have.
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      01-31-2013, 12:26 PM   #9
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Answers below in bold--- my opinion based on alot of tuning over the years. Im definitely going to tune my car(s). I just an M6 too LOL


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I've become a little bored of my M5 so now I'm looking to increase the HP!!
I'm already running the MEISTERSCHAFT GTC + LXR PIPE which I'm extremely happy with ...

So I'm thinking about doing a stage 1 ECU tune with the factory DP's ...
However I've been going back and forth whether I should do the ECU tune or not but honestly I'm afraid of the following :

1. Can my dealer detect it the tune?

The dealer can if they are looking for it... Im always up front with my SA but I first make sure he or she is mod friendly.

2. How reliable is the ECU tune?

It depends... there is inherent risk in any mod as you are adjusting what was deemed optimal at the factory level. My best advice here is "you better be able to pay if you want to play" The more aggressive tunes will definitely push the reliablity envelope but will also yield you more gains.

3. Will there be a engine light?

Usually not as the tune is designed to bypass such warnings.

4. In California we run 91 octane - will that be a problem?

No, just make sure the tune is set for this octane reading.

5. Will I really FEEL a substantial difference?

If its anything like the other tunes I have on turbos, you will absolutely feel it. (3 Porsche turbos, Audi S4, CL65, GTR, 2 M157 AMG's, etc cant lead me wrong and these are just some of my tuned cars Ive had)

6. What's the actuall power increase?

Again, it depends on how aggressive the tune is. Dynographing will assist here.

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      01-31-2013, 12:34 PM   #10
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Waiting anxiously to see what becomes available, and if (how):

- The tune addresses increased tq as related to DCT
- Any adverse effects on the diff, specifically the locking mechanism and tq.
- Compatibility between tune and downpipes for max performance #'s

Definitely do not want to be a beta tester for this...I'll let others take that responsibility.
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      01-31-2013, 01:11 PM   #11
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you sound like you have never done a tune before??

good tunes nowadays are fully removable in the N54 world and should be the same for S63/N63. Data logging functionalities will tell you exactly what's going on and through CAN tools you can remove fault codes... Reliability? I am more concerned with the drivetrain but time will tell..
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Anyone tried this yet?
http://www.burgertuning.com/N63_Jb_B...nce_Tuner.html
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      01-31-2013, 02:11 PM   #13
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Exterior wise my M5 is pretty much done including aftermarket wheels & tires ...
Here's the thread on my build : http://f10.m5post.com/forums/showthread.php?t=749690

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So what are you going to do when you are bored of your tuned M5?

Also, the car is already significantly traction limited for the amount of power it has in stock form. I would put money into some aftermarket wheels and wider tires before anything else on this car.

Think about it.....what will an ECU tune do? The traction/stability mechansims are just going to kick in that much sooner and make all that extra power completely superfluous. With the DSC off, the stock tires will just spin endlessly and/or create dangerous uncontrolled conditions at higher speed.

My vote is to get more rubber to the ground.
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In all honesty as many whips that I've had the closest I've been to ECU tuning was a HKS EVC & COBB Tuning AccessPort on my R35 GTR.

Unless waaaaaay back in the day I had a 1990 Honda CRX that I did a Jackson Racing ECU swap and eventually when did a twin cam engine swap and turbocharged it I went to a ACCEL Direct Fuel Injection system ...

But I don't think either was a true ECU tune ... lol


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you sound like you have never done a tune before??

good tunes nowadays are fully removable in the N54 world and should be the same for S63/N63. Data logging functionalities will tell you exactly what's going on and through CAN tools you can remove fault codes... Reliability? I am more concerned with the drivetrain but time will tell..
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I've become a little bored of my M5 so now I'm looking to increase the HP!!
I'm already running the MEISTERSCHAFT GTC + LXR PIPE which I'm extremely happy with ...

So I'm thinking about doing a stage 1 ECU tune with the factory DP's ...
However I've been going back and forth whether I should do the ECU tune or not but honestly I'm afraid of the following :

1. Can my dealer detect it the tune?
2. How reliable is the ECU tune?
3. Will there be a engine light?
4. In California we run 91 octane - will that be a problem?
5. Will I really FEEL a substantial difference?
6. What's the actuall power increase?

WHAT ARE YOU AFRAID OF?
Hello! We have developed the TYR TECHNOLOGIES ECU tune for the F10 M5 / F12.13 M6 to which we made a very information rich thread post that addresses many of your questions. You may have seen the thread but just in case you missed it, here is the link: http://f10.m5post.com/forums/showthread.php?t=777834

Our first tune went public nearly three months ago and thus far we have had rave reviews and zero complaints! Simply put, we can speculate and theorize and post self affirming information all day long however our suggestion would be to give the TYR TECHNOLOGIES tune a shot and let the results speak for itself!

Any interest? What are you afraid of?
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      01-31-2013, 05:09 PM   #16
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Your right ... F#%K IT!!

I'm going to rock with the TYR tune from GTHAUS ... what do you think of their tune?

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Nothing. Just waiting for a real tune to come out. ESS is currently working on one
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I like what Nate said. Lol
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FWIW - I know Dinan is working on their tune, which of course comes with a warranty....when it will be out, I have no idea. But they are currently running around the Bay Area, CA with their F10 M5 with a beta tune installed.

We will likely offer a labor discount once it comes out.
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GTHAUS ... Let's do it!!
OVERNIGHT ME WHATEVER I NEED!!!

LETSSSGOOOOO!!!

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Hello! We have developed the TYR TECHNOLOGIES ECU tune for the F10 M5 / F12.13 M6 to which we made a very information rich thread post that addresses many of your questions. You may have seen the thread but just in case you missed it, here is the link: http://f10.m5post.com/forums/showthread.php?t=777834

Our first tune went public nearly three months ago and thus far we have had rave reviews and zero complaints! Simply put, we can speculate and theorize and post self affirming information all day long however our suggestion would be to give the TYR TECHNOLOGIES tune a shot and let the results speak for itself!

Any interest? What are you afraid of?
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Nothing. Just waiting for a real tune to come out. ESS is currently working on one
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I'm most afraid of these companies charging outrageous amounts for their tunes! It's a turbo engine, we should be getting power for cheap not this $6000 dollar crap!
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It would be nice for someone to produce a great tune that didn't break the bank. Just like the lowering springs, we have to wait for the big dogs to come out swinging.
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If the F10 550i Dinan software price is anywhere close to the upcoming M5 software, my guess is $3500.
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then there is Stage 1 , 2, 3 , 4 and infiniti .... $10K is not out of the question, once Dinan comes out with all the side upgrades.

Better save up, boys !
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