if you can't start the car, how do you push it?

[nugent]

if the engine is on and you turn it off without setting the parking brake, it will roll. but what if you need to roll it but the engine won't turn on, like if the battery died?

thanks.

[mwlmd]

Originally Posted by nugent

if the engine is on and you turn it off without setting the parking brake, it will roll. but what if you need to roll it but the engine won't turn on, like if the battery died?

thanks.

I think you just code it.

[SANguru]

there is a manual release.

[jmh]

On the E9x M3 there is a documented procedure for the emergency release of the parking brake, however it still assumes you have battery power...

This process is NOT documented for the F10 M5 (at least not in the online version of the manual) and I can't confirm it right now as the car is in hibernation

But here you go :

* Removed the shifter boot is to gain access to the release mechanism.
• Using the screw driver from the vehicle tool kit or (similar tool), unclip the release mechanism cover.
• Insert the screw driver/tool in the release mechanism to the left of the shifter.
• Move the release toward the rear of the vehicle and observe the shifter indicator light illuminate the “N” position

[johntomferg]

Originally Posted by jmh

On the E9x M3 there is a documented procedure for the emergency release of the parking brake, however it still assumes you have battery power...

This process is NOT documented for the F10 M5 (at least not in the online version of the manual) and I can't confirm it right now as the car is in hibernation

JMH, I want to know the story behind your quick knowledge of that information.

[nugent]

what is the "shifter boot"? i don't think i have one of those in my wardrobe.

Originally Posted by jmh

On the E9x M3 there is a documented procedure for the emergency release of the parking brake, however it still assumes you have battery power...

This process is NOT documented for the F10 M5 (at least not in the online version of the manual) and I can't confirm it right now as the car is in hibernation

But here you go :

* Removed the shifter boot is to gain access to the release mechanism.
• Using the screw driver from the vehicle tool kit or (similar tool), unclip the release mechanism cover.
• Insert the screw driver/tool in the release mechanism to the left of the shifter.
• Move the release toward the rear of the vehicle and observe the shifter indicator light illuminate the “N” position

[jmh]

Originally Posted by johntomferg

JMH, I want to know the story behind your quick knowledge of that information.

BMWTIS and past "research"
Have a complete technical doc on DCT, great reading for those who can't sleep

[h4nh]

Originally Posted by Netwon

Please see attachment... It shows how to override the DCT park lockout in the event of power failure.... I cannot remember where I found the original PDF. Hope this helps.

Netwon

I think the 2013 may be different.. I pulled the cup holders out and below that was a foam insulation piece. There wasn't no white plastic release piece shown in the diagram.

[jmh]

Originally Posted by h4nh

I think the 2013 may be different.. I pulled the cup holders out and below that was a foam insulation piece. There wasn't no white plastic release piece shown in the diagram.

Yup. Hence it's not documented ...
As the electric parking brake is part of the rear calipers I don't think there's a manual override anymore .
May have to completely remove the caliper assembly to disable the p-brake.
Or apply aux power to release it .

[nugent]

this is pretty dumb ass on bmw's part. granted i haven't had to have a car towed in a long time, but there are times when it would be nice to push the car a foot or two like in the garage without having to turn the engine on.

[johntomferg]

It's in the documents that Jason posted: http://f10.m5post.com/forums/showthread.php?t=803494

[ManhattanBMW]

Originally Posted by johntomferg

It's in the documents that Jason posted: http://f10.m5post.com/forums/showthread.php?t=803494

Does anyone know if there is a similar document for the F13 M6? If so, would you post the link. Thanks.

[BlackSaphire]

A battery on a then-new 2011 F10 died while it was parked on the street. Long story short, after about 6 hours of trying to free up the rear wheels, a flurry of phone calls to BMW Service, Assist, Jesus-Hotline, etc, 3 tow service trucks/drivers, and 3 BMW Service personnel from a nearby dealer on scene, it was determined that the car could not be moved, short of placing the rear wheels on a dally large and strong enough to support a 4200 lbs car. Lucky for all 7 of us, the dealer was 'only' a few miles away and we managed to push the car behind a slow moving tow truck which was pulling it from a weird angle to keep the dally from sliding from under the rear wheels.

After that experience, I decided not to buy another BMW product. Now, 2 years later, I'm about to pull the trigger on a new M car...But this post has brought back memories and just made my blood boil...some what...

[Sharpie12]

You pushed a car for a few miles? haha holy hell

[jmh]

If the battery is empty/dead jump starting the car will allow you to release the electric brake.
So the instance where you have no power and need to release the e-brake should be very limited.

[Poleposition]

Originally Posted by nugent

this is pretty dumb ass on bmw's part. granted i haven't had to have a car towed in a long time, but there are times when it would be nice to push the car a foot or two like in the garage without having to turn the engine on.

THIS !

[Netwon]

Originally Posted by jmh

If the battery is empty/dead jump starting the car will allow you to release the electric brake.
So the instance where you have no power and need to release the e-brake should be very limited.

I think if you try it there are two function you need to over come. 1) the transmission park lock and 2) the emergency brake.

Try it put the car in park and leave the e-brake off. Mine doesn't roll. I leave it like this in winter (garaged) as I don't want the rear brake to stick.

[Netwon]

Originally Posted by johntomferg

It's in the documents that Jason posted: http://f10.m5post.com/forums/showthread.php?t=803494

This would be the same info that I posed above, which has been said not to work...

[nugent]

do NOT try to pry off cupholder in a 2013 model. i snapped off a little plastic doohickey that it hinges on. and there was nothing down there to see. that was my motherfu**er moment of the morning.

[Netwon]

Originally Posted by nugent

do NOT try to pry off cupholder in a 2013 model. i snapped off a little plastic doohickey that it hinges on. and there was nothing down there to see. that was my motherfu**er moment of the morning.

I wonder how long before BMW updates there technical documents to reflect this. My 2012 is in the same boat! I guess you just have to use a booster back to get power to the car or dolly the rear wheels.

Post above deleted, so no further problems occur. Not above reference to documents posted by Jason have same error about removing cup holders. If you look carefully at picture described as F10 M5 it is a regular 5 series automatic shifter shown.

[gds52]

Originally Posted by BlackSaphire

A battery on a then-new 2011 F10 died while it was parked on the street. Long story short, after about 6 hours of trying to free up the rear wheels, a flurry of phone calls to BMW Service, Assist, Jesus-Hotline, etc, 3 tow service trucks/drivers, and 3 BMW Service personnel from a nearby dealer on scene, it was determined that the car could not be moved, short of placing the rear wheels on a dally large and strong enough to support a 4200 lbs car. Lucky for all 7 of us, the dealer was 'only' a few miles away and we managed to push the car behind a slow moving tow truck which was pulling it from a weird angle to keep the dally from sliding from under the rear wheels.

After that experience, I decided not to buy another BMW product. Now, 2 years later, I'm about to pull the trigger on a new M car...But this post has brought back memories and just made my blood boil...some what...

Holy shit....thats some experience.
I wonder what happens to those Hyundai's/KIA's with electronic e-brake !!!

At least 6MT guys don't need to worry about this.

[nugent]

so, while putting spacers on this weekend, i noticed the front wheels will spin even with the parking brake engaged. so... that means you should be able to pull the car onto a trailer or tow it with the front wheels down, no? or will they lock if you incline the car too much?