After 6 months of F10 M5 ownership, a revisit to the comparison of owning an E60 M5

[BMWI6]

Originally Posted by Tylerstar

Watch this!

I just came in my pants. And my labrador puppy sitting next to me, was freaked out, scared and baffled.

[avsbmw]

wow that thing sounds mean!

[Tylerstar]

Originally Posted by mainly

no way! stock for stock the e60 had the better exhaust note.

were not talking about idling exhaust note here.

im talking about the sound of an engine that reving to 8400 rpm, when you feel like the car is going to lift off and fly to SPACE!


no amount of mods will make the tansmission of the f10 be as brutal as the e60. it had a madness to it. much more emotional experience.

even after owning an f10, whenever i describe to someone the "experience" of driving an M5, it will always be referring to the e60, not the f10...

To me the e60 m5 was a loud pornstar, as the f10 m5 is a classy Victoria Secret model. But, she is finally starting to stop being so stuck up and actually open up her personality.

[mainly]

Originally Posted by YUN

Are you guys comparing SMG vs DCT seriously? SMG is inferior in design and functionality to DCT and that clunk on gear change made me think that the tranny was about to blow up. There is no comparison in my own opinion.

youre right, there is no comparison... in excitement.

[RPiM5]

Dudes,

I've been getting a lot of inquiries on how and where to get the new RPi GTM exhaust. I'll just put it out publicly, that RPi does not currently have these in production. This system was a 1 of 1 special customer order that I requested as an experiment. If you want to have a deleted muffler system like I do, then you can go over to Bimmerzone.com and they have the Hartge deleted muffler section 3's ready to go right now. If you want RPi to build you one like they did for me, then like I posted in the other post contact Race Precision and let them know you are interested. If there is enough interest, they will do a group buy. It will probably take between 5 and 9 weeks to get them built though. I don't work for RPi or Bimmerzone.com, I'm just trying to help people out and share with the community. Thanks and have a rad day!

[Bmw M3 Guy]

Originally Posted by RPiM5

Dudes,

I've been getting a lot of inquiries on how and where to get the new RPi GTM exhaust. I'll just put it out publicly, that RPi does not currently have these in production. This system was a 1 of 1 special customer order that I requested as an experiment. If you want to have a deleted muffler system like I do, then you can go over to Bimmerzone.com and they have the Hartge deleted muffler section 3's ready to go right now. If you want RPi to build you one like they did for me, then like I posted in the other post contact Race Precision and let them know you are interested. If there is enough interest, they will do a group buy. It will probably take between 5 and 9 weeks to get them built though. I don't work for RPi or Bimmerzone.com, I'm just trying to help people out and share with the community. Thanks and have a rad day!

You suck.

Justin

[NOJODA]

man I wish i was as spoiled as you guys comparing v10s to v8's.

great write up.

ill keep enjoying my rasp in my i-6 haha

[mainly]

Originally Posted by Tylerstar

To me the e60 m5 was a loud pornstar, as the f10 m5 is a classy Victoria Secret model.

and on that note , i rest my case.

[dreamspeed]

i know it's for the engine noise and not exhaust but can't you just turn up the volume on your stereo to make your car louder?

[chrisratz]

Originally Posted by NOJODA

man I wish i was as spoiled as you guys comparing v10s to v8's.

great write up.

ill keep enjoying my rasp in my i-6 haha

Dude you have a great car, I miss my E46 M3.

[Soorena]

Originally Posted by RPiM5

I once got 6mpg on my E60

Pretty normal with the S85. I had no idea that the display could show two digit numbers until i was stuck behind a Police car and had to baby the car. Then bam, it showed 15 mpg!!!!!

[KEYON]

That exhaust sounds INSANE.

Great review! Love these cars.

[RPiM5]

Originally Posted by Bmw M3 Guy

You suck.

Justin

LOL! Love you too brotha!

[kgroschi]

Originally Posted by mainly

youre right, there is no comparison... in excitement.

SMG is the best (most fun) transmission there is. DCT is quicker but 100 times more boring. Especially the DCT in the E9x M3s is terribly boring imo. The new Porsche DCT is kind of ok but nothing compares to the emotions when driving a true race car like single clutch transmission like the SMG. I miss my E60 M5 mostly for that reason... besides the V10 of course. The new F10 M5 lacks so many emotions. It's getting more and more like and AMG and AMG is getting more and more like M used to be. They have never been so similar I think.

[Whostheboss]

Originally Posted by mainly

no way! stock for stock the e60 had the better exhaust note.

were not talking about idling exhaust note here.

im talking about the sound of an engine that reving to 8400 rpm, when you feel like the car is going to lift off and fly to SPACE!


no amount of mods will make the tansmission of the f10 be as brutal as the e60. it had a madness to it. much more emotional experience.

even after owning an f10, whenever i describe to someone the "experience" of driving an M5, it will always be referring to the e60, not the f10...

that seems to be how most F10 M5 owners describe it to me.

[Whostheboss]

Originally Posted by Tylerstar

To me the e60 m5 was a loud pornstar, as the f10 m5 is a classy Victoria Secret model. But, she is finally starting to stop being so stuck up and actually open up her personality.

greatest analogy ever!

[kgroschi]

Originally Posted by mainly

no way! stock for stock the e60 had the better exhaust note.

were not talking about idling exhaust note here.

im talking about the sound of an engine that reving to 8400 rpm, when you feel like the car is going to lift off and fly to SPACE!


no amount of mods will make the tansmission of the f10 be as brutal as the e60. it had a madness to it. much more emotional experience.

even after owning an f10, whenever i describe to someone the "experience" of driving an M5, it will always be referring to the e60, not the f10...

Couldn't have said it better

[rjd598]

very nice review! so from what i gather, and have concluded from other sources, is that the f10 is just an all around better car. the e60 cons outweigh its pros and the f10 pros outweigh its cons. i love the e60 m5 but honestly the only thing that ever saved it was that v10...without that no one would be complaining about its departure

[5soko]

The smg makes things feel so much more connected! I love full throttle 8250 redline shifts! Nothing feels juss as good and its a great experience.. Lexus lfa and the aventador use smg like trannys aswell. Its not always about speed, its the experience of feel, pull noise combined. The V10 engine sound and smg tranny and high redline experience is hard to replace.
Also disagree on the op's handling comparison, i felt that my e60 was more nimble and felt better through corners. The f10 you can feel that weight transfer!

My Cousin owns a f10 m5, its large, heavy and pretty mute, everything juss feels so default like..

[135Pats]

$40K in repairs over 3 years of ownership

Awesome to see you're loving the F10 though

[nerwyll@trinityautosport]

thanks for sharing your review Dave. we could definitely relate, especially to the 6mpg when Joe had his E60, but not just once lol. and the exhaust note just kept us coming back for more. personally the F10 is still growing on me. its getting there though.

[RPiM5]

Originally Posted by nerwyll@trinityautosport

thanks for sharing your review Dave. we could definitely relate, especially to the 6mpg when Joe had his E60, but not just once lol. and the exhaust note just kept us coming back for more. personally the F10 is still growing on me. its getting there though.

Nerwyzee! It WILL grow on you once you hear my M5! I didn't really fall in love with the F10 until I did the muffler delete. It's magnificent now!