After 6 months of F10 M5 ownership, a revisit to the comparison of owning an E60 M5

[kiloil]

Originally Posted by Tylerstar

Watch this!

Jesus Christ that sound!

[positiveions]

Good review

[ajandhek]

450 miles on a tank? I don't even get that on my 535

[biglare]

Excellent write up and comparison So what about track comparison? I thought you tracked them both?

Did I miss your Dyno posting? What is the difference in numbers with the muffler delete. I know that a local San Diego shop is offering you some free Dyno time. You should hit them up!

Also, can't you just go to any muffler shop to get a muffler delete option built? A good muffler shop can whip out some pipes in no time I would imagine.

[M3Denver]

How much in mods ??
Sounds pretty good! But I still give the noise win to the high strung f1 sounding v10

[Imola.ZHP]

Originally Posted by Tylerstar

Watch this!

I need to go change my pants...

Maybe one day (far from now) I can pick up a used f10 M5.

[kotik]

Originally Posted by Tylerstar

Watch this!

don't eat me please

[Rolitto]

Very true about the engine note of the E60 M5, nothing beats that. But unluckily for us, life is changing and turbo-charging has conquered the world in order to reduce emission and consumption. I wish BMW would go back to high-rev normal aspirated engines.

[Netwon]

I think it is just human nature... The good old days. Look how far M5's have come. Nobody misses points ignition anymore. But I am sure for a very long time there were the true believer that could only love a car that could be tinkered with. Given a louder exhaust and time, I am sure people will be saying, "that new GXX M5 sounds nothing like that good old F10 M5, that old turbo that is where its at!" *BUT* we'll have to wait and see!

[sumthnsdfrnt]

Or you can have the best of both worlds
Says my e60 vt-2 650

[e-hizzle]

6 mpg?!

[philooo]

I want to see how this exhaust sounds on drive by...

I mean can you even drive off without having other driver calling 911 on your ass ?

I had a muffler bypass once and took it off because every time I wanted to press the gas, I was afraid I would attract all the cops in the 1 mile radius.

[sumthnsdfrnt]

Originally Posted by philooo

I want to see how this exhaust sounds on drive by...

I mean can you even drive off without having other driver calling 911 on your ass ?

I had a muffler bypass once and took it off because every time I wanted to press the gas, I was afraid I would attract all the cops in the 1 mile radius.

exactly what I was going to say... I went with Electronic cutouts because I can choose when it's loud..
I've actually been with dave when he got pulled over for his E60 being to loud and I would assume his new NASCAR is going to be no different. We are no strangers to fix it tickets right Dave!
However I have enjoyed 2 years of driving with cutouts for 2 reasons. 1 when I need to talk on the phone I do not have to explain what the noise is in the backround, 2 I have not gotten "that" fix it" ticket yet. During a targa trophy I was actually able to blame the noise on another passing car when I got pulled over after flying through an intersection wide open!
"no sir, that wasn't me.................listen(rev rev)......see my car purrs like a kitten" it was epic to say the least.

[howtobeastitup96]

You had to replace 4 clutches? Maybe that is just your driving.

[W///]

Originally Posted by Tylerstar

Watch this!

First time the S63 actually made me go "wow". I like it.

Originally Posted by mainly

no way! stock for stock the e60 had the better exhaust note.

were not talking about idling exhaust note here.

im talking about the sound of an engine that reving to 8400 rpm, when you feel like the car is going to lift off and fly to SPACE!


no amount of mods will make the tansmission of the f10 be as brutal as the e60. it had a madness to it. much more emotional experience.

even after owning an f10, whenever i describe to someone the "experience" of driving an M5, it will always be referring to the e60, not the f10...

Disagree. The king of M5's = E39 M5. That's the "true" (whatever that means) experience.

Originally Posted by howtobeastitup96

You had to replace 4 clutches? Maybe that is just your driving.

It's SMG, not MT.

[RPiM5]

Originally Posted by howtobeastitup96

You had to replace 4 clutches? Maybe that is just your driving.

Nope it wasn't my driving. My SMG ate clutches for lunch. Literally the day after I bought my E60, I got the Red Cog of Death and had to have a new clutch and flywheel installed. I decided to keep it since, it was still under factory warranty, not even thinking it could happen again. Oddly enough the SMG pump never failed on me though.

[RPiM5]

Originally Posted by philooo

I want to see how this exhaust sounds on drive by...

I mean can you even drive off without having other driver calling 911 on your ass ?

I had a muffler bypass once and took it off because every time I wanted to press the gas, I was afraid I would attract all the cops in the 1 mile radius.

Yes you can totally drive with this setup on the F10 without causing SWAT to be all over you. If you just drive the M5 normally, like not flooring the throttle all of the time, it sounds like a regular F10 M5 almost. It's just when you get on it, the V8 starts to roar like crazy.

[RPiM5]

Originally Posted by biglare

Excellent write up and comparison So what about track comparison? I thought you tracked them both?

Did I miss your Dyno posting? What is the difference in numbers with the muffler delete. I know that a local San Diego shop is offering you some free Dyno time. You should hit them up!

Also, can't you just go to any muffler shop to get a muffler delete option built? A good muffler shop can whip out some pipes in no time I would imagine.

No I haven't dyno'd my M5 at all yet. Just no time really. I accepted an offer by a local SD shop and will get it dyno'd in a couple of weekends.

You could go to any muffler shop and have some pipes made for you, but I wanted to stay with RPi since they engineered the sectoin 1 and 2, I wanted to have design optimized by them for a straight-piped section 3. I've heard of guys doing the same thing on their E60 M5 with a local muffler shop and they've have good success as well.

Oh yeah and I have tracked them both already.

F10 wins on the track hands down. It's just that the F10 is not a great track car because it's just too heavy even though its chassis design, suspension, and torque output will give it very good track times. The best thing about tracking the E60 M5, was getting to use best part of the powerband on the V10 on larger tracks. That's where the E60 M5 really shined on the track, at the higher speeds.

[whiteM5]

Originally Posted by RPiM5

Dudes,


9. The range! (I'm easily getting over 400 miles on a full tank. I once saw 465 miles on the range computer!)

i get barely over 200, time to start driving your car a little harder..

[OerdingE93]

Nice post Dave

-Anders

[aantar]

Originally Posted by RPiM5

Worst things about the E60 M5:
1. S85 V10 engine! (reliability!!!)

can u explain further what exactly did u mean by reliability of the engine ?

[RPiM5]

Originally Posted by aantar

can u explain further what exactly did u mean by reliability of the engine ?

Many E60 owners have had their engine seize due to the VANOS pump or VANOS Feedline failing. Also I know a few that have cylinder misfires, fuel injectors that went bad and destroyed their engines, and other crazy stuff. All u have to do is search the E60 M5 forum on M5Board.com and you'll see how many people have had to have new engines put in.