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      05-12-2014, 06:25 PM   #45
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G80 Weight Target is to lose 80-100 Kg from the current M5.

Carbon application is further advanced than new M3 and M4 including Carbon load bearing section and key areas of A , B , C pillars and roof structure mixed with other lightweight materials such as aluminium press-hardened steel and magnesium.

Carbon body panels including a first for an M5 a CFRP roof panel.

XDrive optional but will weigh more than the RWD car.

Possibility of no manual but new M - DCT transmission.

Power is around 600+ HP.

Eco-M mode to dim engine cylinders when in city or public areas.
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Lol, you're forgetting that a lot of people don't consider x cars true bmws.

Don't shoot the messenger, I do believe they are true bmws, just saying you'll run into that mentality a lot here, and it's not an unsubstantiated opinion.

He'll, some believe that the 2 series is the only true bimmer left (active gran tourer or whatever aside)
I really don't understand people who are obsessed with the BMW's of yore (e.g., "the last 'real' BMW was the bla bla bla model from 1972"). I say, embrace progress, and let the past go! The fact is, BMWs are and always were just another product - a commodity, mass produced in a factory, designed by engineers, and marketed by guys in suits who need to make their quarterly numbers so they can pocket a big bonus at the end of the year. And if that means making an AWD M5, then believe me, there is no force in the universe stronger than the corporate drive for profits, it will happen. And that's the story of industrial progress! I love it!
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Wonder what will happen if someone at the factor takes 600HP engine from the 30th anniversary car and stuff it into the 550 x-drive?

Will that be faster (0-60) than the Audi S6 (Car and Driver, 3.7s) and RS7 (Road & Track, 3.2s)?
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People can't really complain about this. You can make a case/argument about switching from naturally aspirated to turbo because the former still makes sense. If the G80 M5 is expected to make north of 600HP, you're really going to rely on two rear wheels to manage all that power? While everyone has their preference, you still have to consider that the M5 has to be competitive still and the M5 can't be competitive against the E63 and RS6 if it doesn't go AWD.
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AWD BMW? Not even a million years. BMW = RWD.
you do realize they have like 26 models with awd right?
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Weight savings a big plus, AWD indifferent about it...

RWD version for me
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BMW = RWD? Huh? Ever hear of xDrive? Or did you mean "M car = RWD"? If that's what you meant, ever hear of X5M, X6M?
Lol, you're forgetting that a lot of people don't consider x cars true bmws.

Don't shoot the messenger, I do believe they are true bmws, just saying you'll run into that mentality a lot here, and it's not an unsubstantiated opinion.

He'll, some believe that the 2 series is the only true bimmer left (active gran tourer or whatever aside)
Well, BMW also said in the past you won't see turbo in M cars, look what happened. Companies are run mostly by marketing people and they will eventually cave in to what the market wants.
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I thought they were going to build the cars for those who wanted the power and the AWD.

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People can't really complain about this. You can make a case/argument about switching from naturally aspirated to turbo because the former still makes sense. If the G80 M5 is expected to make north of 600HP, you're really going to rely on two rear wheels to manage all that power? While everyone has their preference, you still have to consider that the M5 has to be competitive still and the M5 can't be competitive against the E63 and RS6 if it doesn't go AWD.
you mean in sales right?
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I am certain that many (not all) who are complaining abt AWD in M cars would be jumping head first into the bandwagon after they have sampled its ability to put all that power down. Like some have mentioned, people's resistance to change is legendary. As much as I am a RWD fan, i won't object to AWD simply based on ideology. Change whatever u want. I care only abt the end product. If it drives better, i could care less how many driven wheels it has. I don't buy a car to belong to a clique. I buy a car for it to entertain me. When a car u own becomes obsolete, it doesn't mean u are too. No need to get all defensive. Chill out. Progress is unstoppable...
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AWD BMW? Not even a million years. BMW = RWD.
It will be an option so you can either pick AWD or RWD
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AWD BMW? Not even a million years. BMW = RWD.
Unfortunately, that will not hold true anymore. The Z2 will be FWD.
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AWD BMW? Not even a million years. BMW = RWD.
But some of us do need the AWD.
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G80 Weight Target is to lose 80-100 Kg from the current M5.

Carbon application is further advanced than new M3 and M4 including Carbon load bearing section and key areas of A , B , C pillars and roof structure mixed with other lightweight materials such as aluminium press-hardened steel and magnesium.

Carbon body panels including a first for an M5 a CFRP roof panel.

XDrive optional but will weigh more than the RWD car.

Possibility of no manual but new M - DCT transmission.

Power is around 600+ HP.

Eco-M mode to dim engine cylinders when in city or public areas.
The line between an E63 AMG and a BMW M5 just got blurred that much more.
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AWD BMW? Not even a million years. BMW = RWD.
Unfortunately, that will not hold true anymore. The Z2 will be FWD.
That's fine, because the Z3 will be RWD.
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Ok, this solidifies my next order...for likely the last time, I'm (in a relative ways) going old school...F80, manual box. Rear-wheel drive. I swear THEN I will convert (while hopefully keeping the E39M M5, Z4M coupe and F80) to combo hybrid or fully electronic technology, DCT, all-wheel drive, whatever. I will become a consumer of modern cars.
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LOL!!!!

We've been saying it for years now and nothing!! Now that
Car and Driver has disapproved along with So many fans and press they finally address weight. Ayayay! Same discussion on other forums about the softening of BMW and all they say is sales are booming! For
Now. BMW needs refocus. If you want a Tank you buy a Mercedes. Bmws should be nimbler otherwise they don't stand out.
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I really don't understand people who are obsessed with the BMW's of yore (e.g., "the last 'real' BMW was the bla bla bla model from 1972"). I say, embrace progress, and let the past go! The fact is, BMWs are and always were just another product - a commodity, mass produced in a factory, designed by engineers, and marketed by guys in suits who need to make their quarterly numbers so they can pocket a big bonus at the end of the year. And if that means making an AWD M5, then believe me, there is no force in the universe stronger than the corporate drive for profits, it will happen. And that's the story of industrial progress! I love it!
Let's talk about embracing
Progress next time you have a problem and get stuck in an endless loop talking to
A
Stupid machine. Yes embrace it. Boooo on the
Old days when a
Person answered the phone! Love it!!
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Attended BMW clinic last Fri, teased next gen 5-series and 5GT, finally headlight from 4-series Concept is utilized in production and new black shifting lever looks amazing
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AWD? For fuks sake. No reason to get an M over an AMG or RS car anymore. If i want AWD i'll go with the company that has refined it for decades.
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