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      05-12-2014, 11:50 PM   #67
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Sounds promising. I have no doubt that ///M will not disappoint. I am a bit worried about the next generation M5 engine though. I'm just not seeing where ///M can go next with engines. They are definitely not going to go with a bespoke engine as it would be too costly and go against the current business model of efficiency of shared parts with non-M engines. We'll start seeing more stuff in about 2 to 3 years about the next M5. The next generation 5-Series should be out in 2016 as a 2017 model year. So only a couple of more years away.
What they can do, is to use hybrid power in connection with the S63 (or any other S engine).

BMW M division has a 172g/km average fleet CO2 target they need to reach here in Europe. The S55 has it's lowest CO2 in the DCT version with 199g/km.

So, either M has to come up with more low emission vehicles (like the upcoming M2) to lower their fleet average down to 172 (to make up for the big polluters like the M5/6 etc). Or they have to start using hybrid powertrains in the same way we see in the McLaren P1 etc.

Time will show
Wait, so they calculate a fleet average for BMW and another one for the M division? I'm a little confused here :/
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      05-13-2014, 12:13 AM   #68
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For the love of god, please make AWD optional. If I can only have an M5 in AWD, then it won't be an M5 anymore. It's bad enough that the 8000+ rpm V10 is gone
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BMW have tapped into this by mirroring typical BMW dynamics and steering communication within the new UKL cars.
You mean massive body roll, a steering system that is not connected to the front wheels, and the engine note played through the speaker system?!?!?!?!
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      05-13-2014, 01:17 AM   #69
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I want the old M Division back where they were confused about why anyone would want cup holders in an M car and said there wouldn't be suv or awd M's.
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      05-13-2014, 07:22 AM   #72
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Do we even know that it's officially going to be called the G80 M5 yet? The next 5-Series is in fact going to be the G30, but that's all we know right now, I think.
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Do we even know that it's officially going to be called the G80 M5 yet? The next 5-Series is in fact going to be the G30, but that's all we know right now, I think.
It's going to be G30 M5. Not sure where G80 came from - guessing it was a typo at some point around here.
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I really don't understand people who are obsessed with the BMW's of yore (e.g., "the last 'real' BMW was the bla bla bla model from 1972"). I say, embrace progress, and let the past go! The fact is, BMWs are and always were just another product - a commodity, mass produced in a factory, designed by engineers, and marketed by guys in suits who need to make their quarterly numbers so they can pocket a big bonus at the end of the year. And if that means making an AWD M5, then believe me, there is no force in the universe stronger than the corporate drive for profits, it will happen. And that's the story of industrial progress! I love it!
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It will be an option so you can either pick AWD or RWD
You state this as a fact. What is the basis for this?
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AWD should be a choice. Where I live AWD isn't needed all year. Plus RWD is fun!
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      05-13-2014, 12:46 PM   #78
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Well well if this materializes you will get a super package! If they shed about 170-315 plus AWD, this could be GTR performance in a family sedan for dads and granddads! If the M5 ever became a coupe man ol man.
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      05-13-2014, 02:35 PM   #79
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Well, to be honest i really don't understand BMW's policy. They try to kill themselves by announcing these things. Are they serious? No, the only thing that missing is to see an M3/M4 4WD......

WTF BMW?? Wake up....!!
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You state this as a fact. What is the basis for this?
because its BMW M they will never let the car just be only AWD thats just wrong unless its a X5M or X6M

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      05-13-2014, 03:17 PM   #81
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I am shocked how many people want and AWD M car... are you guys serious?! Why do you want the extra weight, more understeer, and less drifting fun? I mean if you're that "old", why not just go for an AMG? Or do you really just want a better 0-60 time or live in an area where you can't drive your M5 during the winter cause it only has RWD?
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      05-13-2014, 03:43 PM   #82
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because its BMW M they will never let the car just be only AWD thats just wrong unless its a X5M or X6M
I wouldn't be so sure. Where is the option for the non-turbo F10? It was not so long ago that the M division swore there would never be a turbo M - not to mention M SUVs.
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I am shocked how many people want and AWD M car... are you guys serious?! Why do you want the extra weight, more understeer, and less drifting fun? I mean if you're that "old", why not just go for an AMG? Or do you really just want a better 0-60 time or live in an area where you can't drive your M5 during the winter cause it only has RWD?
Winters in TN are not bad at all and yet I would have preferred an AWD M5. Increased handling and improved traction seems like a nice option. I decided against the AMG because I preferred the transmission and styling of the M5.

I have only had 1 other AWD car and i thought the handling was incredible.

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G80 Weight Target is to lose 80-100 Kg from the current M5.

Carbon application is further advanced than new M3 and M4 including Carbon load bearing section and key areas of A , B , C pillars and roof structure mixed with other lightweight materials such as aluminium press-hardened steel and magnesium.

Carbon body panels including a first for an M5 a CFRP roof panel.

XDrive optional but will weigh more than the RWD car.

Possibility of no manual but new M - DCT transmission.

Power is around 600+ HP.

Eco-M mode to dim engine cylinders when in city or public areas.
All very exciting, sounds like it'll be an incredible family super saloon, but it still pretty portly at 1850kg.

Any danger of all this carbon technology and 600 plus horsepower going into something mid engined and 400kg lighter in 2016?
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Winters in TN are not bad at all and yet I would have preferred an AWD M5. Increased handling and improved traction seems like a nice option. I decided against the AMG because I preferred the transmission and styling of the M5.

I have only had 1 other AWD car and i thought the handling was incredible.

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Interesting. For me it is a big decrease in handling because I like to move the car at the limit here and there and understeer is the worst thing to have I think. I remember when I was on the racetrack with the R8 V10, I mean it was fast, but only while driving it at like 85-90%. Once you really pushed it, it was pretty terrible with all that understeer. Not that enjoyable to me. And since BMW M is for purists I just believe in that RWD, best dynamics kind of philosophy.

I mean I am pretty sure if they offer AWD, it will be an option, which seems okay. However, I'd be pissed if I meet another M5 on the street that kicks my ass on a little acceleration run lol.

I just feel that all the companies are losing their uniqueness and are all moving towards being the same thing. BMW M got more comfortable and AMG got a little sportier and more Dynamic and Audi is filling that little gap inbetween. They all lost their characters a bit

Anyways... Enough trolling lol.

Thanks for your pov though. I really was looking for a serious answer.
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With very good tyres RWD is enough
Much more fun too
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