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      05-20-2014, 02:36 PM   #23
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You can bargain with your dealer bellow msrp not a problem, but there is no holiday incentives, or Porsche credit or anything like that. They charge extra for everything, even seat belt color. I would usually walk away but they make such a damn good product!
Yea this is what I was getting at - was just curious wat ype of discount %-wise? It was easy reading on the forum here what to expect when it came time to buy the M5.
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Yea this is what I was getting at - was just curious wat ype of discount %-wise? It was easy reading on the forum here what to expect when it came time to buy the M5.
Oh,

I really dont know as I bought my Turbo used with 5,000 miles on it and had no desire to bargain for a new 991. So I guess you would have better information asking Coldlist because he bought 3? 991s over the last year or so.
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Lot's faster, the 911 S is still only 400hp. You have to get the Turbo or GT to beat the M5 in 0-60 or quarter mile. This one is really nice.
I see so basically it is not worth the same price as an M5. I know its handling is amazing but why is it the same price when power ranges are not even near.
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Thanks for all the love guys. I will tell you that the M5 feels much faster, however the 911 is not too far behind in a street race from a 20 MPH roll, which was a surprise to me. The Porsche also handles a little better as it should. I am very fortunate to be able to have both. They are completely two different animals, and I personally would not have a 911 as a DD simply because of the size, and room. I will track the car on certain occasions.
I see I love the looks of the Porsche but the M5 just seems so worth the price vs the 911. But I Would love to have a 911CS even if it is slower
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I see so basically it is not worth the same price as an M5. I know its handling is amazing but why is it the same price when power ranges are not even near.
I think that is a subjective judgment. The M5 is a luxury racer with good sport features and I think it's probably giving more for the money. The 911 has a cachet that the M5 doesn't and it also has real sport car feel. So I can see buying one in addition to the M5 but I wouldn't get it instead because I value the room and the luxury of the M5. That being said, I will add 991 Turbo S to my garage if things work out that way.
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Yea this is what I was getting at - was just curious wat ype of discount %-wise? It was easy reading on the forum here what to expect when it came time to buy the M5.
You'll have better luck asking around the Porsche forums.

There are discounts, it just depends on the dealers.
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I see so basically it is not worth the same price as an M5. I know its handling is amazing but why is it the same price when power ranges are not even near.


I see I love the looks of the Porsche but the M5 just seems so worth the price vs the 911. But I Would love to have a 911CS even if it is slower
Fit and finish, and the technology used inside of the car. That is where most of the money goes. After you drive the 911, you just get out and hand them any amount of cash to take it home with you.
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I think that is a subjective judgment. The M5 is a luxury racer with good sport features and I think it's probably giving more for the money. The 911 has a cachet that the M5 doesn't and it also has real sport car feel. So I can see buying one in addition to the M5 but I wouldn't get it instead because I value the room and the luxury of the M5. That being said, I will add 991 Turbo S to my garage if things work out that way.
I see your point. I would love a 911 turbo or S specially the new one it is so nice. That is worth the money. That's what I am trying to say, m5 you get little of both worlds in one car for a cheaper price and looks amazing. But the 911 is awesome. I would love to have both, but I DO not see why it is the same or more in price range. But it is a great sports car the 911CS

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Fit and finish, and the technology used inside of the car. That is where most of the money goes. After you drive the 911, you just get out and hand them any amount of cash to take it home with you.
True it has awesome techonology but the m5 is not far behind. just performance to luxury I do not see why the 911CS is worth the same or more than an M5. SURE it is pure sports car I would love to have it but same price and more than an M5 I do not see it as a major upgrade unless its a turbo OR gts or TURBO S. But I would love to have a 911CS but pay more than m5 for it. its looks are great though
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Just picked this up. 2014 911 C4S. Car is absolutely incredible. Still love the M5, but nothing like a 911.
Well done, and yes they are the perfect combo! I've had my 991S for a year, and my 2015 GT3 will be here in November. Love the NA motor revving to 9000 RPM. Can't wait, and congrats on the move!
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Short Video of M5 beating the 911C2S(991)



Surprising it won with that wide of margin. But I love the looks of the 911 more to be honest. Lucky you have both cars
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True it has awesome techonology but the m5 is not far behind. just performance to luxury I do not see why the 911CS is worth the same or more than an M5. SURE it is pure sports car I would love to have it but same price and more than an M5 I do not see it as a major upgrade unless its a turbo OR gts or TURBO S. But I would love to have a 911CS but pay more than m5 for it. its looks are great though
It has been pointed out to me recently, and I really like this analogy and maybe you will to and it will clear up some confusion on the whole 911 vs Any M car.

" An M car is an everyday car with the ability to drive it on the track.
A 911 is a track car, with the ability to drive it everyday"

At least that seriously makes sense to the higher level 911s.

So that is why it cost more. Porsche cars are not for everyone. It is only for those who are wise enough to understand a P-car. Not saying you are not wise, but it takes time for people to get to that level.

Me personally I drove a 991 C4S and hated it. Spent another 2 days just thinking about it, and the more I thought the more I wanted to try it again. The more I tried it, the more I realized what it was all about. Ended up buying an older p-car, and then traded both the older P-car and the M5 for a Turbo. Now that car, is faster than the M5, handles better, and for me at least, is practical. Not that I drive it everyday, but not like a baby it around once a week either.

Not saying the M5 is a bad car, it is a different car and the two should not be compared. It just goes to a personal level of what you want from a car. Do you want great control of your car, great acceleration, sound, looks, and want a car to reward you like no other... 911. Or do you want a fast straight line car, that is controlled, but feels numb in order to achieve luxury and more space.... M5
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Thanks for all the love guys. I will tell you that the M5 feels much faster, however the 911 is not too far behind in a street race from a 20 MPH roll, which was a surprise to me. The Porsche also handles a little better as it should. I am very fortunate to be able to have both. They are completely two different animals, and I personally would not have a 911 as a DD simply because of the size, and room. I will track the car on certain occasions.

This is how you solve it. With this!

I actually find the porsche to be such a well made car that I'm trading in the M5 for a Macan Turbo to go with my cabriolet.

I've been with BMW since 1989, but the porsche...well it's just a porsche and it handles like a dream and fits like a glove.

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It has been pointed out to me recently, and I really like this analogy and maybe you will to and it will clear up some confusion on the whole 911 vs Any M car.

" An M car is an everyday car with the ability to drive it on the track.
A 911 is a track car, with the ability to drive it everyday"

At least that seriously makes sense to the higher level 911s.

So that is why it cost more. Porsche cars are not for everyone. It is only for those who are wise enough to understand a P-car. Not saying you are not wise, but it takes time for people to get to that level.

Me personally I drove a 991 C4S and hated it. Spent another 2 days just thinking about it, and the more I thought the more I wanted to try it again. The more I tried it, the more I realized what it was all about. Ended up buying an older p-car, and then traded both the older P-car and the M5 for a Turbo. Now that car, is faster than the M5, handles better, and for me at least, is practical. Not that I drive it everyday, but not like a baby it around once a week either.

Not saying the M5 is a bad car, it is a different car and the two should not be compared. It just goes to a personal level of what you want from a car. Do you want great control of your car, great acceleration, sound, looks, and want a car to reward you like no other... 911. Or do you want a fast straight line car, that is controlled, but feels numb in order to achieve luxury and more space.... M5
Very well said. I like that analogy. I really love the 911 turbo and I take that over any M5 anyday haha. The Porsche I have driven is a panamera my brother has one, and cayenne. great cars.. I hear the new 991 is very durable for everyday now though. I am not saying they are comparable but since they are in the same price range that's why I was saying that, I know another guy got a new 911CS recently and traded his M5 for it too.
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This is how you solve it. With this!

I actually find the porsche to be such a well made car that I'm trading in the M5 for a Macan Turbo to go with my cabriolet.

I've been with BMW since 1989, but the porsche...well it's just a porsche and it handles like a dream and fits like a glove.

Jeff
Sexy car. I Love the turbo. But I guess its your taste to get rid of the M5 for a Macan turbo
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Fit and finish, and the technology used inside of the car. That is where most of the money goes. After you drive the 911, you just get out and hand them any amount of cash to take it home with you.
You sir are CORRECT
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Well done, and yes they are the perfect combo! I've had my 991S for a year, and my 2015 GT3 will be here in November. Love the NA motor revving to 9000 RPM. Can't wait, and congrats on the move!
Thanks.. I really wanted a true manual tranny. My Porsche salesman told me that Porsche only makes the manual in roughly 20% of the 911's.
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Thanks.. I really wanted a true manual tranny. My Porsche salesman told me that Porsche only makes the manual in roughly 20% of the 911's.
That's true, and I will loose my manual tranny with the GT3. I'm ok with that as that paddles work fine. Enjoy
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Well done, and yes they are the perfect combo! I've had my 991S for a year, and my 2015 GT3 will be here in November. Love the NA motor revving to 9000 RPM. Can't wait, and congrats on the move!
Thanks.. I really wanted a true manual tranny. My Porsche salesman told me that Porsche only makes the manual in roughly 20% of the 911's.
The PDK is phenomenal. I guess it depends on which 911, but I don't miss a stick at all. The pdk shifts it for you as you would up and down. I thought jumping into the m5 with the most recent DCT (until the new m4) was awesome...the porsche pdk is definitely noticeably better.

I just need a more balanced DD for the winter, I was stuck at home several days during moderate snow events in January and February and I hated it. I know winter tires could cure some of it, but during wet or cold weather the traction control comes on way too often. So I wanted a little more ground clearance, AWD, but the feel of rwd, and a DCT. The macan is the only car that fits that bill.

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