M5POST
BMW Garage BMW Meets Register Search Today's Posts Mark Forums Read

Go Back   M5POST - BMW M5 Forum > F10 M5 Forum > BMW M5 (F10) General Forum

Post Reply
 
Thread Tools Search this Thread
      05-20-2014, 02:36 PM   #23
PatrickC23
Lieutenant Colonel
 
PatrickC23's Avatar
 
Drives: '13 F10 AW/SO ///M5
Join Date: Apr 2012
Location: NNJ

Posts: 1,725
iTrader: (0)

Garage List
2013 BMW ///M5  [0.00]
Quote:
Originally Posted by alexey21 View Post
You can bargain with your dealer bellow msrp not a problem, but there is no holiday incentives, or Porsche credit or anything like that. They charge extra for everything, even seat belt color. I would usually walk away but they make such a damn good product!
Yea this is what I was getting at - was just curious wat ype of discount %-wise? It was easy reading on the forum here what to expect when it came time to buy the M5.
__________________
Retired - 2009 C63 l 2007 Supercharged RRS l 2002 e46 SMG ///M3 l 2001 e46 330ci

2013 Alpine White/Sakhir Orange F10 M5 - 20" Modulare Matte Titanium Brushed B18s - Coded by the best, V12
2014 Jeep JKU Wrangler Willys Wheeler W Unlimited - Granite Crystal/Black
PatrickC23 is offline   United_States
0
Reply With Quote
      05-20-2014, 02:42 PM   #24
alexey21
First Lieutenant
 
Drives: Turbo
Join Date: Apr 2012
Location: Philly

Posts: 373
iTrader: (0)

Quote:
Originally Posted by PatrickC23 View Post
Yea this is what I was getting at - was just curious wat ype of discount %-wise? It was easy reading on the forum here what to expect when it came time to buy the M5.
Oh,

I really dont know as I bought my Turbo used with 5,000 miles on it and had no desire to bargain for a new 991. So I guess you would have better information asking Coldlist because he bought 3? 991s over the last year or so.
__________________
--
2011 Turbo PDK (Current)
2013 X5 3.5d (Family transporter)
2013 M5 Black Sapphire( Retired )
2003 Porsche 911 (Retired)
alexey21 is offline  
0
Reply With Quote
      05-20-2014, 04:32 PM   #25
N.S.A
Captain
 
Drives: 2014 BMW M5 BLACK SAPPHIRE
Join Date: Jul 2013
Location: Southern California

Posts: 707
iTrader: (0)

Quote:
Originally Posted by wrsbmw View Post
Lot's faster, the 911 S is still only 400hp. You have to get the Turbo or GT to beat the M5 in 0-60 or quarter mile. This one is really nice.
I see so basically it is not worth the same price as an M5. I know its handling is amazing but why is it the same price when power ranges are not even near.
Quote:
Originally Posted by lifesgud2 View Post
Thanks for all the love guys. I will tell you that the M5 feels much faster, however the 911 is not too far behind in a street race from a 20 MPH roll, which was a surprise to me. The Porsche also handles a little better as it should. I am very fortunate to be able to have both. They are completely two different animals, and I personally would not have a 911 as a DD simply because of the size, and room. I will track the car on certain occasions.
I see I love the looks of the Porsche but the M5 just seems so worth the price vs the 911. But I Would love to have a 911CS even if it is slower
N.S.A is offline   United_States
0
Reply With Quote
      05-20-2014, 05:00 PM   #26
wrsbmw
First Lieutenant
 
Drives: BMW 2013 M5 Amazonite Silver
Join Date: May 2013
Location: Austin, Tx

Posts: 383
iTrader: (0)

Quote:
Originally Posted by N.S.A View Post
I see so basically it is not worth the same price as an M5. I know its handling is amazing but why is it the same price when power ranges are not even near.
I think that is a subjective judgment. The M5 is a luxury racer with good sport features and I think it's probably giving more for the money. The 911 has a cachet that the M5 doesn't and it also has real sport car feel. So I can see buying one in addition to the M5 but I wouldn't get it instead because I value the room and the luxury of the M5. That being said, I will add 991 Turbo S to my garage if things work out that way.
wrsbmw is offline  
0
Reply With Quote
      05-20-2014, 05:31 PM   #27
EMpunker
M3 Veteran
 
EMpunker's Avatar
 
Drives: Porsche's, Ferrari's & Lambo's
Join Date: Sep 2012
Location: Newport Beach, CA

Posts: 80
iTrader: (0)

Quote:
Originally Posted by PatrickC23 View Post
Yea this is what I was getting at - was just curious wat ype of discount %-wise? It was easy reading on the forum here what to expect when it came time to buy the M5.
You'll have better luck asking around the Porsche forums.

There are discounts, it just depends on the dealers.
EMpunker is offline   United_States
0
Reply With Quote
      05-20-2014, 06:36 PM   #28
alexey21
First Lieutenant
 
Drives: Turbo
Join Date: Apr 2012
Location: Philly

Posts: 373
iTrader: (0)

Quote:
Originally Posted by N.S.A View Post
I see so basically it is not worth the same price as an M5. I know its handling is amazing but why is it the same price when power ranges are not even near.


I see I love the looks of the Porsche but the M5 just seems so worth the price vs the 911. But I Would love to have a 911CS even if it is slower
Fit and finish, and the technology used inside of the car. That is where most of the money goes. After you drive the 911, you just get out and hand them any amount of cash to take it home with you.
__________________
--
2011 Turbo PDK (Current)
2013 X5 3.5d (Family transporter)
2013 M5 Black Sapphire( Retired )
2003 Porsche 911 (Retired)
alexey21 is offline  
0
Reply With Quote
      05-20-2014, 06:45 PM   #29
N.S.A
Captain
 
Drives: 2014 BMW M5 BLACK SAPPHIRE
Join Date: Jul 2013
Location: Southern California

Posts: 707
iTrader: (0)

Quote:
Originally Posted by wrsbmw View Post
I think that is a subjective judgment. The M5 is a luxury racer with good sport features and I think it's probably giving more for the money. The 911 has a cachet that the M5 doesn't and it also has real sport car feel. So I can see buying one in addition to the M5 but I wouldn't get it instead because I value the room and the luxury of the M5. That being said, I will add 991 Turbo S to my garage if things work out that way.
I see your point. I would love a 911 turbo or S specially the new one it is so nice. That is worth the money. That's what I am trying to say, m5 you get little of both worlds in one car for a cheaper price and looks amazing. But the 911 is awesome. I would love to have both, but I DO not see why it is the same or more in price range. But it is a great sports car the 911CS

Quote:
Originally Posted by alexey21 View Post
Fit and finish, and the technology used inside of the car. That is where most of the money goes. After you drive the 911, you just get out and hand them any amount of cash to take it home with you.
True it has awesome techonology but the m5 is not far behind. just performance to luxury I do not see why the 911CS is worth the same or more than an M5. SURE it is pure sports car I would love to have it but same price and more than an M5 I do not see it as a major upgrade unless its a turbo OR gts or TURBO S. But I would love to have a 911CS but pay more than m5 for it. its looks are great though
N.S.A is offline   United_States
0
Reply With Quote
      05-20-2014, 06:50 PM   #30
Bimmer6
Major
 
Bimmer6's Avatar
 
Drives: Porsche 991S/F10 M5
Join Date: Jul 2012
Location: ATL

Posts: 1,031
iTrader: (0)

Quote:
Originally Posted by lifesgud2 View Post
Just picked this up. 2014 911 C4S. Car is absolutely incredible. Still love the M5, but nothing like a 911.
Well done, and yes they are the perfect combo! I've had my 991S for a year, and my 2015 GT3 will be here in November. Love the NA motor revving to 9000 RPM. Can't wait, and congrats on the move!
Bimmer6 is offline  
0
Reply With Quote
      05-20-2014, 06:51 PM   #31
N.S.A
Captain
 
Drives: 2014 BMW M5 BLACK SAPPHIRE
Join Date: Jul 2013
Location: Southern California

Posts: 707
iTrader: (0)

Short Video of M5 beating the 911C2S(991)



Surprising it won with that wide of margin. But I love the looks of the 911 more to be honest. Lucky you have both cars
N.S.A is offline   United_States
0
Reply With Quote
      05-20-2014, 07:24 PM   #32
wrsbmw
First Lieutenant
 
Drives: BMW 2013 M5 Amazonite Silver
Join Date: May 2013
Location: Austin, Tx

Posts: 383
iTrader: (0)

Watch this one too
wrsbmw is offline  
0
Reply With Quote
      05-20-2014, 07:41 PM   #33
RajG
Private
 
Drives: '14 M5 CP
Join Date: Jan 2009
Location: Northern NJ

Posts: 90
iTrader: (0)

Nice combo!!!
__________________

'14 M5 CP: Black Saphire | 35% Llumar tint | Exhaust Meister | Passport 9500ix
'13 X5 50i M Sport: Cabon Black | M Performance | Black kidneys | 35% Llumar tint
Retired: '12 550xi Dinan, '11 335xi Sedan, '11 X5 50i, '08 535i, '08 335xi Coupe, '05 Audi S4, '02 Audi TT
RajG is online now   United_States
0
Reply With Quote
      05-20-2014, 08:10 PM   #34
alexey21
First Lieutenant
 
Drives: Turbo
Join Date: Apr 2012
Location: Philly

Posts: 373
iTrader: (0)

Quote:
Originally Posted by N.S.A View Post
True it has awesome techonology but the m5 is not far behind. just performance to luxury I do not see why the 911CS is worth the same or more than an M5. SURE it is pure sports car I would love to have it but same price and more than an M5 I do not see it as a major upgrade unless its a turbo OR gts or TURBO S. But I would love to have a 911CS but pay more than m5 for it. its looks are great though
It has been pointed out to me recently, and I really like this analogy and maybe you will to and it will clear up some confusion on the whole 911 vs Any M car.

" An M car is an everyday car with the ability to drive it on the track.
A 911 is a track car, with the ability to drive it everyday"

At least that seriously makes sense to the higher level 911s.

So that is why it cost more. Porsche cars are not for everyone. It is only for those who are wise enough to understand a P-car. Not saying you are not wise, but it takes time for people to get to that level.

Me personally I drove a 991 C4S and hated it. Spent another 2 days just thinking about it, and the more I thought the more I wanted to try it again. The more I tried it, the more I realized what it was all about. Ended up buying an older p-car, and then traded both the older P-car and the M5 for a Turbo. Now that car, is faster than the M5, handles better, and for me at least, is practical. Not that I drive it everyday, but not like a baby it around once a week either.

Not saying the M5 is a bad car, it is a different car and the two should not be compared. It just goes to a personal level of what you want from a car. Do you want great control of your car, great acceleration, sound, looks, and want a car to reward you like no other... 911. Or do you want a fast straight line car, that is controlled, but feels numb in order to achieve luxury and more space.... M5
__________________
--
2011 Turbo PDK (Current)
2013 X5 3.5d (Family transporter)
2013 M5 Black Sapphire( Retired )
2003 Porsche 911 (Retired)
alexey21 is offline  
0
Reply With Quote
      05-20-2014, 08:13 PM   #35
jlee
Lieutenant
 
jlee's Avatar
 
Drives: 2014 M5 Comp + 2008 M3 Vert
Join Date: Jun 2008
Location: Washington DC

Posts: 584
iTrader: (1)

Quote:
Originally Posted by lifesgud2 View Post
Thanks for all the love guys. I will tell you that the M5 feels much faster, however the 911 is not too far behind in a street race from a 20 MPH roll, which was a surprise to me. The Porsche also handles a little better as it should. I am very fortunate to be able to have both. They are completely two different animals, and I personally would not have a 911 as a DD simply because of the size, and room. I will track the car on certain occasions.

This is how you solve it. With this!

I actually find the porsche to be such a well made car that I'm trading in the M5 for a Macan Turbo to go with my cabriolet.

I've been with BMW since 1989, but the porsche...well it's just a porsche and it handles like a dream and fits like a glove.

Jeff

Last edited by jlee; 05-20-2014 at 08:51 PM.
jlee is offline   No_Country
0
Reply With Quote
      05-20-2014, 11:11 PM   #36
N.S.A
Captain
 
Drives: 2014 BMW M5 BLACK SAPPHIRE
Join Date: Jul 2013
Location: Southern California

Posts: 707
iTrader: (0)

Quote:
Originally Posted by alexey21 View Post
It has been pointed out to me recently, and I really like this analogy and maybe you will to and it will clear up some confusion on the whole 911 vs Any M car.

" An M car is an everyday car with the ability to drive it on the track.
A 911 is a track car, with the ability to drive it everyday"

At least that seriously makes sense to the higher level 911s.

So that is why it cost more. Porsche cars are not for everyone. It is only for those who are wise enough to understand a P-car. Not saying you are not wise, but it takes time for people to get to that level.

Me personally I drove a 991 C4S and hated it. Spent another 2 days just thinking about it, and the more I thought the more I wanted to try it again. The more I tried it, the more I realized what it was all about. Ended up buying an older p-car, and then traded both the older P-car and the M5 for a Turbo. Now that car, is faster than the M5, handles better, and for me at least, is practical. Not that I drive it everyday, but not like a baby it around once a week either.

Not saying the M5 is a bad car, it is a different car and the two should not be compared. It just goes to a personal level of what you want from a car. Do you want great control of your car, great acceleration, sound, looks, and want a car to reward you like no other... 911. Or do you want a fast straight line car, that is controlled, but feels numb in order to achieve luxury and more space.... M5
Very well said. I like that analogy. I really love the 911 turbo and I take that over any M5 anyday haha. The Porsche I have driven is a panamera my brother has one, and cayenne. great cars.. I hear the new 991 is very durable for everyday now though. I am not saying they are comparable but since they are in the same price range that's why I was saying that, I know another guy got a new 911CS recently and traded his M5 for it too.
N.S.A is offline   United_States
0
Reply With Quote
      05-20-2014, 11:18 PM   #37
N.S.A
Captain
 
Drives: 2014 BMW M5 BLACK SAPPHIRE
Join Date: Jul 2013
Location: Southern California

Posts: 707
iTrader: (0)

Quote:
Originally Posted by jlee View Post
This is how you solve it. With this!

I actually find the porsche to be such a well made car that I'm trading in the M5 for a Macan Turbo to go with my cabriolet.

I've been with BMW since 1989, but the porsche...well it's just a porsche and it handles like a dream and fits like a glove.

Jeff
Sexy car. I Love the turbo. But I guess its your taste to get rid of the M5 for a Macan turbo
N.S.A is offline   United_States
0
Reply With Quote
      05-20-2014, 11:18 PM   #38
lifesgud2
Private First Class
 
Drives: 2013 MCB M5
Join Date: May 2010
Location: South Florida

Posts: 108
iTrader: (0)

Quote:
Originally Posted by alexey21 View Post
Fit and finish, and the technology used inside of the car. That is where most of the money goes. After you drive the 911, you just get out and hand them any amount of cash to take it home with you.
You sir are CORRECT
lifesgud2 is offline  
0
Reply With Quote
      05-20-2014, 11:21 PM   #39
lifesgud2
Private First Class
 
Drives: 2013 MCB M5
Join Date: May 2010
Location: South Florida

Posts: 108
iTrader: (0)

Quote:
Originally Posted by Bimmer6 View Post
Well done, and yes they are the perfect combo! I've had my 991S for a year, and my 2015 GT3 will be here in November. Love the NA motor revving to 9000 RPM. Can't wait, and congrats on the move!
Thanks.. I really wanted a true manual tranny. My Porsche salesman told me that Porsche only makes the manual in roughly 20% of the 911's.
lifesgud2 is offline  
0
Reply With Quote
      05-21-2014, 05:54 AM   #40
Bimmer6
Major
 
Bimmer6's Avatar
 
Drives: Porsche 991S/F10 M5
Join Date: Jul 2012
Location: ATL

Posts: 1,031
iTrader: (0)

Quote:
Originally Posted by lifesgud2 View Post
Thanks.. I really wanted a true manual tranny. My Porsche salesman told me that Porsche only makes the manual in roughly 20% of the 911's.
That's true, and I will loose my manual tranny with the GT3. I'm ok with that as that paddles work fine. Enjoy
Bimmer6 is offline  
0
Reply With Quote
      05-21-2014, 06:23 AM   #41
jlee
Lieutenant
 
jlee's Avatar
 
Drives: 2014 M5 Comp + 2008 M3 Vert
Join Date: Jun 2008
Location: Washington DC

Posts: 584
iTrader: (1)

Quote:
Originally Posted by lifesgud2
Quote:
Originally Posted by Bimmer6 View Post
Well done, and yes they are the perfect combo! I've had my 991S for a year, and my 2015 GT3 will be here in November. Love the NA motor revving to 9000 RPM. Can't wait, and congrats on the move!
Thanks.. I really wanted a true manual tranny. My Porsche salesman told me that Porsche only makes the manual in roughly 20% of the 911's.
The PDK is phenomenal. I guess it depends on which 911, but I don't miss a stick at all. The pdk shifts it for you as you would up and down. I thought jumping into the m5 with the most recent DCT (until the new m4) was awesome...the porsche pdk is definitely noticeably better.

I just need a more balanced DD for the winter, I was stuck at home several days during moderate snow events in January and February and I hated it. I know winter tires could cure some of it, but during wet or cold weather the traction control comes on way too often. So I wanted a little more ground clearance, AWD, but the feel of rwd, and a DCT. The macan is the only car that fits that bill.

Jeff
jlee is offline   No_Country
0
Reply With Quote
      05-21-2014, 06:26 AM   #42
RPiM5
Brigadier General
 
RPiM5's Avatar
 
Drives: Riviera Blue F10 M5(Mika)
Join Date: Apr 2012
Location: Washington, D.C.

Posts: 3,917
iTrader: (0)

Quote:
Originally Posted by wrsbmw View Post
Watch this one too
Cool video!
__________________
Running more Boost on a turbo engine does not mean you have more driving skill.
RPiM5 is offline  
0
Reply With Quote
      05-21-2014, 10:01 AM   #43
BROCHOP
Lieutenant
 
BROCHOP's Avatar
 
Drives: '11 E92 335is
Join Date: Jun 2009
Location: South Florida

Posts: 522
iTrader: (0)

__________________
Current: '11 E92 335is DCT Blk Sph /Oyster/Every Option no mods..for now
Gone: '05 E46 330iZHP Jet Blk/Natural Brown
Mods: H&R race/18" Beyern Mesh Dinan: Stg 3 flash/ tranny software/90mm Throttle body/free flow exhaust/Custom midpipe/resonator delete/AFE intake
BROCHOP is offline   United_States
0
Reply With Quote
      05-21-2014, 07:21 PM   #44
infamousq
First Lieutenant
 
infamousq's Avatar
 
Drives: 2013 Toyota Camry
Join Date: Mar 2012
Location: Kobra Headquarters

Posts: 328
iTrader: (0)

Wow they are a awesome combo enjoy them!!!!!
infamousq is offline   United_States
0
Reply With Quote
Post Reply

Bookmarks

Thread Tools Search this Thread
Search this Thread:

Advanced Search

Posting Rules
You may not post new threads
You may not post replies
You may not post attachments
You may not edit your posts

BB code is On
Smilies are On
[IMG] code is On
HTML code is Off
Forum Jump


All times are GMT -5. The time now is 08:42 AM.




m5post
Powered by vBulletin® Version 3.7.0
Copyright ©2000 - 2014, Jelsoft Enterprises Ltd.
1Addicts.com, BIMMERPOST.com, E90Post.com, F30Post.com, M3Post.com, ZPost.com, 5Post.com, 6Post.com, 7Post.com, XBimmers.com logo and trademark are properties of BIMMERPOST