New 991 GT3 RS - Engine change after 300 miles. Second engine goes up in flames...

[Boss330]

Apparently this 991 GT3 RS had a engine change after 480km (300 miles) and the second engine ended with "a bbq"...

https://www.facebook.com/schnellesch...type=1&fref=nf

991 GT3 RS well done.

first engine change at 480km
spare engine after 1600 km GT3 -->BBQ

Is it the 991 GT3 engine problems all over again or just one unlucky owner???



https://www.youtube.com/watch?featur...&v=ek8-x9Jxh-4

[SocalBM]

Was explained in good detail over on Rennlist. And when we're talking about "GT3 engine problems all over again" let's keep in mind that Porsche was PROACTIVE about replacement so there wouldn't be issues (only a very small handful of engines went up, but they decided to swap them all, just in case after the fix was determined).

Responsible? Yes please.

[mstmng]

What was the reason for first engine swap?

[RPiM5]

Jeez! All in all not a good track record I say. :/

[Boss330]

Originally Posted by SocalBM

Was explained in good detail over on Rennlist. And when we're talking about "GT3 engine problems all over again" let's keep in mind that Porsche was PROACTIVE about replacement so there wouldn't be issues (only a very small handful of engines went up, but they decided to swap them all, just in case after the fix was determined).

Responsible? Yes please.

Only a small handfull of engines went up because no one was allowed to drive their cars until they had replacement engines.

When a manufacturer has to tell owners not to use the car we are talking about a serious issue. Proactive... Well they didn't respond until a few GT3's had gone up in flames and then the response was to stop all deliveries and tell exisiting owners to park their cars. To allow exisiting owners to still use their cars was considered to dangerous and expensive for Porsche (good Call on their part no doubt).

The GT3 engine issue was truly a major quality control failure from Porsche regardless what one might think about how they handled the situation.

BMW had similar embarassing issue with the M5 oil pump issues, but much less public and no engine fires. So this is something any manufacturer can encounter. But if they have a issue with the GT3 RS after the embarassing GT3 engine failures that is certainly cause for concern...

That they handle it in a good way is certainly reassuring. The thing is these major issues should never have happened. No way of handling the problem AFTER it occurs can justify the problem occuring in the first place...


Can you link the thread where the fires was explained in detail at Rennlist?

All I can find is this thread that has no details, just speculation and posts like this:

http://rennlist.com/forums/991-gt3/8...e-failure.html

Hi all,

there are several more engine failures, albeit they didn't light up the cars, both on GT3 and RS models.
Actually just yesterday one sat with a dead engine right on the Nordschleife. To note is actually that this is the second engine of this guys car and he did warn his Porsche Dealer that this engine also uses the same amount of oil as the previous engine.

All of them have had considerable oil consumption from start and all have been track driven. There are rather few driven hard on the track and all the ones, from my experience, that are driven closer to the limit have failed. It it seriously odd how slow most 991 GT3/RS owners drive their cars on the Nordschleife, but the reasons should be obvious.

I only know a handful of cars of newer GT3 and RS and all have new engines.

997 GT3 coolant lines? Porsche told everyone to f-off, then beat the law suit and put up the middle finger. Just sayin

Reading that thread I find 3 GT3 RS's that has caught fire...

[Boss330]

The two other fire damaged GT3 RS'...

[wrsbmw]

Why do people pay over msrp for this?

One word.

Stupid.

[clar]

I thought these things only happen to Ferrari and Lambo...Porsche looks to want in on the action as well...

[RPiM5]

They're so hot they're on fire right now!

[M6-Coupe]

And people still complaining (disappointed/upset) about squealing noise of M5/M6 brakes .... just saying

[gmfive]

That's rather weird looking fire damage. I would've expected it to be more extensive.

[Vic55]

here we go again...

[SocalBM]

At least they don't wait until a few hundred people die, like GM.

[Bimmer6]

It's amazing because some are still selling for 100k over MSRP. This engine is wound so tight it's crazy the non RS redlines at 9000k RPM, and the RS with 500 reported Hp's hits 8800 red line. The first round was two fires, and the cause was a bolt that unwound in the engine and boom. This one will be interesting ...........I would buy one at MSRP not the crazy mark up. Pull the comps on all RS models they print money used if you can find one.

[Vic55]

Originally Posted by Bimmer6

It's amazing because some are still selling for 100k over MSRP. This engine is wound so tight it's crazy the non RS redlines at 9000k RPM, and the RS with 500 reported Hp's hits 8800 red line. The first round was two fires, and the cause was a bolt that unwound in the engine and boom. This one will be interesting ...........I would buy one at MSRP not the crazy mark up. Pull the comps on all RS models they print money used if you can find one.

I would buy one at msrp too. After all the 991 GT3 issues, the car still sold way above msrp and continues to gather tremendous resale values in the market. These isolated issues don't sway the majority. I have seen Turbo S's on fire at Costco-- that car is soft as shit and I might get another one but its Rhodium Silver

[Spinny02]

Originally Posted by RPiM5

They're so hot they're on fire right now!

[clar]

Originally Posted by RPiM5

They're so hot they're on fire right now!

Yeah, it's imperative that Supercar performance come with Supercar vices. Porsche is getting it

[Bimmer6]

Originally Posted by Vic55

I would buy one at msrp too. After all the 991 GT3 issues, the car still sold way above msrp and continues to gather tremendous resale values in the market. These isolated issues don't sway the majority. I have seen Turbo S's on fire at Costco-- that car is soft as shit and I might get another one but its Rhodium Silver

Yep that was Costo in El Segundo near the 405. How's the GT3 you driving it much? Just took mine out today after a month in the garage. I'm having fun in that damn M4 seriously.

[Vic55]

Originally Posted by Bimmer6

Yep that was Costo in El Segundo near the 405. How's the GT3 you driving it much? Just took mine out today after a month in the garage. I'm having fun in that damn M4 seriously.

I know, that's why I brought it up as it was local to me

I saw a few M4's on the road on Wednesday (3 to be exact); they do carry a nice stance in stock form. You must be loving that low end flat tq curve? I sure am in the GTS.


No more GT3- see sig below.

[Northern X5M]

Originally Posted by RPiM5

They're so hot they're on fire right now!

The engine, the engine, the engine is on fire.
We don't need no water, let the motherfucker burn.

[Bimmer6]

Originally Posted by Vic55

I know, that's why I brought it up as it was local to me

I saw a few M4's on the road on Wednesday (3 to be exact); they do carry a nice stance in stock form. You must be loving that low end flat tq curve? I sure am in the GTS.


No more GT3- see sig below.

Yep the low end torque is amazing it's just down right run. Yep thought you ran out of space to add cars

[FLOMACKS]

Originally Posted by Bimmer6

Yep the low end torque is amazing it's just down right run. Yep thought you ran out of space to add cars

When did you get the M4? Coupe or convertible?