Antilaser Priority and Antilaser Net Radar Integrated System on 911 Turbo S

[stealth.pilot]

The laser jammer product is great. However the Net Radar product has been disappointing:

1) The lockouts feature is pathetic. It barely works and you have to lock out the same source multiple times from different directions. In addition there is no auto lockout, and while he does have a feature that blocks all K band alerts along a route, that feature will unlock the same ones it blocked if you drive the same route twice. This is very poor design. Valentine, Escort, and Stinger all have a functional auto lockout function, Net Radar does not.

2) The entire system is highly dependent on using a phone app: You need to use a phone to be able to access lockouts as well as detailed visual alerts because there is no display. However if you use a phone then it won't send alerts to the external speaker, only to the phone's speaker which isn't loud enough for a performance car. This has been an issue for a while and several people have raised it but he just sweeps it under the carpet. Again this shouldn't be complicated - Escort and Valentine know how to use both a system external speaker and a phone speaker at same time, why can't Net Radar?

3) For Android users there is no option of HFP alerts (using Bluetooth protocol to simulate a call over car speakers). This is an Android limitation but it underscores the idiocy of not enabling simultaneous use of the external speaker with the phone speaker.

4) He sold people front and rear antennas since June, but he hasn't issued an update for the Arrows. So when you encounter a radar threat it alerts forever because it can't filter it out once you pass it since it isn't assessing direction, and you can't tell if you passed it because no arrows. Part of the problem here is also structural. The company making the radar (Net Radar) and the company making the Antilaser platform are different companies. So Net Radar has insufficient control over prioritizing the development agenda for the ALP App which is needed to deliver the full functionality of their product - this is probably why the arrows missed their original delivery date and the company hasn't announced a revised delivery date for this feature.

5) The range isn't exactly spectacular. In fact it is usually the weakest of the installed detectors. Look at the attached chart and you will see what I mean. It is beaten by Stinger, 9500CI, STIR+ and Radenso HD+. When you consider the escort is a 9 year old product, this is unimpressive.



The issue is the owner of Net Electronics who is also the US distributor of Antilaser is a guy who doesn't accept feedback. If you look at most forum posts, where someone raises an issue, his response is often to convince them there is no issue or to say the issue is unimportant and not worth prioritizing. My personal feeling is been that he:
1) Takes the position that he is always right and the customer is always wrong whenever you attempt to give feedback. For instance to have smart control of the system (e.g. Lockouts) you need a phone interface. But if you use Android you can't use an external speaker which makes alerts impossible to hear if your playing music. It you use iOS you will find the support is limited and updates are lagged by a few months.
2) He doesn't prioritize the radar product development relative to the lidar which means the NetRadar feels like an unsupported product. While the underlying issue may be he has difficulty influencing Antilaser's app development I find that he himself seems to downplay the priority of radar updates.
3) He is downright abrasive. When I raised issues with the product he instructed moderators on the radar forum to shut down my feedback. I assume he has the moderators on his side due to financial incentives such as product discounts. However this behavior in itself underscores his contempt for customers.
4) BTW He had a conflict with the owners of 6Speed because when he was a sponsor he didn't want to respond to PMs. In the end he ended up dropping 6Speed sponsorship because he wouldn't accept the rules.

[momos750]

Excellent review and the install looks clean. Do the laser heads have to stick out so far on the side vents or can you recess them? So it looks like you have 3 laser jammers in the front and 2 in the rear. I see the radar head in the front, where is the rear located?
Congrats

[stealth.pilot]

Originally Posted by momos750

Excellent review and the install looks clean. Do the laser heads have to stick out so far on the side vents or can you recess them? So it looks like you have 3 laser jammers in the front and 2 in the rear. I see the radar head in the front, where is the rear located?
Congrats

You cannot recess them. That typically compromises the performance. I had that issue on my 2013 M5 initially - the car was susceptible to shots on the hood at closer range.

The rear radar antenna is located underneath the bodywork below the rear wing assembly. It is hidden behind the plastic part of the bumper. Since the rear bumper is plastic and the paint is non-metallic it shouldn't affect range. However there is nowhere else to put it on the 911.

[stealth.pilot]

avlnch and RPiM5 You may want to check this out. I think this is better than Stinger.

[Bluehorseshoe]

Awesome setup Stealth. Car looks beautiful. I am tired of all the false alarms too.

[sdshah]

Total cost of all hardware and install? This is impressive.

[WCH]

Looks great.

One question. Do you put your phone up in the headliner when you get in the car or do you have a second phone just serving as a screen.

[stealth.pilot]

Originally Posted by WCH

Looks great.

One question. Do you put your phone up in the headliner when you get in the car or do you have a second phone just serving as a screen.

That phone on the overhead console is hard mounted and hard wired. At acts only as the ALP display. When you turn on the car it shows the ALP display (not the home screen), and when you turn off the car it turns off. So it looks and behaves like an ALP Display only.

[stealth.pilot]

Originally Posted by sdshah

Total cost of all hardware and install? This is impressive.

$4000.

[WCH]

Originally Posted by stealth.pilot

That phone on the overhead console is hard mounted and hard wired. At acts only as the ALP display. When you turn on the car it shows the ALP display (not the home screen), and when you turn off the car it turns off. So it looks and behaves like an ALP Display only.

Thanks. Looks great. The install cost was about the same range as my Bel + anti laser set up in my TT but I like your screen and the flexibility of anti laser as you point out. Too bad it wasn't available when I got my car. Thanks for the info.

[///PDDS]

Oh man, I'm going to have to upgrade, I definitely miss the directional arrows! Such a clean install! Did you have to have extension cables for the sensors? I have 2F and 2R and I believe the fronts needed the extension cables.

With the radar antenna, can you enable/disable various radar bands?

[RPiM5]

Ooooooooooh! Very nice!! I'm gonna look into it! Thanks Stealth!!

[sdshah]

Originally Posted by stealth.pilot

$4000.

If I don't pick a turbo s by the time you sell yours due to life events. Make sure you think of me firsts

[stealth.pilot]

Originally Posted by sdshah

If I don't pick a turbo s by the time you sell yours due to life events. Make sure you think of me firsts

Ah but you know that when I sell, I am always the guy on the forum who charges and gets the highest price!

[sdshah]

Originally Posted by stealth.pilot

Ah but you know that when I sell, I am always the guy on the forum who charges and gets the highest price!

At the price you got it for I'm sure it'll still be a solid deal. I can't believe how small the price difference between a late year 997 turbo s and 991 turbo s has become.

[DATM3]

I have installed on my M6 & M3 the ALP system as well. I went the barebones and only got the 4 heads and paired them with Escort MAX360 for radar detection. I spent $1,175 for the ALP with 4 heads and $600 for the Escort Max360. Does the radar option with ALP store GPS locations for false alerts? My main concern with an integrated system with laser and radar is that the radar false alerts going off too often and not being able to shut the false radar alerts. I drive through Atlanta everyday and it was quite annoying with the Valentine V1. I love the Max360 as it has basically learned where all the false alerts and blocked them.

[patb23]

I might have to upgrade my system. I love the display.

[stealth.pilot]

Originally Posted by DATM3

I have installed on my M6 & M3 the ALP system as well. I went the barebones and only got the 4 heads and paired them with Escort MAX360 for radar detection. I spent $1,175 for the ALP with 4 heads and $600 for the Escort Max360. Does the radar option with ALP store GPS locations for false alerts? My main concern with an integrated system with laser and radar is that the radar false alerts going off too often and not being able to shut the false radar alerts. I drive through Atlanta everyday and it was quite annoying with the Valentine V1. I love the Max360 as it has basically learned where all the false alerts and blocked them.

I live in Buckhead. It hasn't been an issue for me. The radar has GPS so you can lock out falses. But also if you live inside the perimeter you can just switch off k band. This is what I have done. I setup profiles so I switch from profile A (no K Band) to profile B (K Band) when I leave Atlanta. If I leave GA then I switch to profile C which adds TSR filter which isn't needed in GA.

[Copasetic222]

Would you please talk more about the Android display? Why did you use it? What model is it? What other display options might there be, etc?

I'm new at this and not located near an experienced installer.

I also have a question on GPS. I was talking to Antilaser's customer service department today and he recommended a stand alone detector, like a fairly inexpensive Uniden, because patents prevent the integrated radar detector system they sell from having gps. But, your experience, Stealth, contradicts that. Any input would be greatly appreciated.

Thanks!

[gsc]

Great system, but I sold my car so I have a complete system up for sale.

[stealth.pilot]

Originally Posted by Copasetic222

Would you please talk more about the Android display? Why did you use it? What model is it? What other display options might there be, etc?

I'm new at this and not located near an experienced installer.

I also have a question on GPS. I was talking to Antilaser's customer service department today and he recommended a stand alone detector, like a fairly inexpensive Uniden, because patents prevent the integrated radar detector system they sell from having gps. But, your experience, Stealth, contradicts that. Any input would be greatly appreciated.

Thanks!

That's odd. You're saying Antilaser USA is recommending a Uniden windshield unit over his own Net Radar system?

[Copasetic222]

Originally Posted by stealth.pilot

That's odd. You're saying Antilaser USA is recommending a Uniden windshield unit over his own Net Radar system?

Yes. That's exactly what I'm saying. I spoke to their customer service department a couple days ago and that's what I was told.

Called them again today to inquire about costs to add an additional jammer on a used ALP set with a Beltronics radar detector that's for sale and the guy I spoke with this time recommended ALP's own radar unit. I wasn't thinking about my conversation with them earlier in the week, so I didn't ask about that today.