F1 2022: Brazilian GP - São Paulo (Nov 13)

[M5Rick]

Originally Posted by TheBingoBalls

They gave their reasons and it's straightforward and I'm ok with the decision. It's not like the stewards pulled the explanation out of their ass - it was a rational decision. Whether or not everyone else does is an entirely different discussion.

I thought Lando deserved a penalty for driving into LEC, but it was deemed a racing incident. That wasn't even close - LEC was way out on the left of the track and Lando drove into him. 🤷🏻*♂️

I disagree, it was an anti Max decision purely because he's the only one who tried to take on HAM.

[MontyB1]

It’s funny the media are all over Perez and Monaco and linked it after the race but nothing at the time. I didn’t see it as a I was away for Monaco so was blissfully unaware, plus it’s a dreadful race to watch live.

But Perez does have questions to answer as do Red Bull, Max is still petulant but it’s obviously something that he has been stewing over for a while.

[NYG]

Originally Posted by TheBingoBalls

They gave their reasons and it's straightforward and I'm ok with the decision. It's not like the stewards pulled the explanation out of their ass - it was a rational decision. Whether or not everyone else does is an entirely different discussion.

I thought Lando deserved a penalty for driving into LEC, but it was deemed a racing incident. That wasn't even close - LEC was way out on the left of the track and Lando drove into him. 🤷🏻*♂️

Are you ok with the 2 penalty points on license?

[TheBingoBalls]

Originally Posted by NYG

Are you ok with the 2 penalty points on license?

If that's what they determined to be a proper penalty, it is what it is. Doesn't matter who the driver is. For me, if the decision isn't egregious, I'm fine with it. It was a proper decision and it is what it is.

You're not going to please everyone so there really isn't any point in discussing in detail what a penalty should or shouldn't be especially with the fanbase on this forum.

Also, points like this to drivers like HAM and VER really don't mean anything, they will ever truly be at risk in being suspended for points on their license.

[Artemis]

Originally Posted by MontyB1

It’s funny the media are all over Perez and Monaco and linked it after the race but nothing at the time. I didn’t see it as a I was away for Monaco so was blissfully unaware, plus it’s a dreadful race to watch live.

But Perez does have questions to answer as do Red Bull, Max is still petulant but it’s obviously something that he has been stewing over for a while.

No apologies: something bugs Verstappen about Perez, like a splinter in his mind. Verstappen made clear via onboard radio and in post-race interviews to firmly stand by his decision to refuse Perez a pass worth 2 WDC points (which would have secured P2 in the WDC after the Interlagos race), even to the extent of overruling a clear team order. Perez is now trailing Leclerc in the WDC (both 290 points, but Leclerc has more race wins).

Apologies: Perez to his wife via Instagram after partying hard to celebrate his first Monaco race win: https://www.dailymail.co.uk/sport/sp...ing-women.html ("Mexican F1 star Sergio Perez issues a grovelling public apology to his wife after being caught on camera dancing cheek-to-cheek with mystery women at a 'very bad party that I didn't know how to control' following victory at the Monaco Grand Prix").

[MontyB1]

Originally Posted by Artemis

No apologies: something bugs Verstappen about Perez, like a splinter in his mind. Verstappen made clear via onboard radio and in post-race interviews to firmly stand by his decision to refuse Perez a pass worth 2 WDC points (which would have secured P2 in the WDC after the Interlagos race), even to the extent of overruling a clear team order. Perez is now trailing Leclerc in the WDC (both 290 points, but Leclerc has more race wins).

Apologies: Perez to his wife via Instagram after partying hard to celebrate his first Monaco race win: https://www.dailymail.co.uk/sport/sp...ing-women.html ("Mexican F1 star Sergio Perez issues a grovelling public apology to his wife after being caught on camera dancing cheek-to-cheek with mystery women at a 'very bad party that I didn't know how to control' following victory at the Monaco Grand Prix").

Seems there will be more questions about the incident. The analysis of the Monaco incident looks pretty clear that it was forced or at least very very different to the way he drove that corner every other time.

MMmmm let see what they all have to say this coming weekend. The team will want to put it behind them, I suspect some of the journalists and maybe teams, possibly not.

[M5Rick]

^ A storm in a tea cup nothing more, accidents happen in the blink of an eye in F1.

[Artemis]

Originally Posted by MontyB1

Seems there will be more questions about the incident. The analysis of the Monaco incident looks pretty clear that it was forced or at least very very different to the way he drove that corner every other time.

MMmmm let see what they all have to say this coming weekend. The team will want to put it behind them, I suspect some of the journalists and maybe teams, possibly not.

Uh-oh, what happened in Monaco, didn't stay in Monaco. Gloves are off now down at camp Verstappen.

Out of the blue, responding to an Instagram post lambasting her son about the Brazil race, Verstappen's mother interfered in the discussion with a - subsequently deleted - reply calling out Perez for cheating on his wife in Monaco: "and then in the evening cheating on his wife". If that post is legit, then it seems that the divide is running deeper than perceived so far.

Is Verstappen's wrath caused either by Perez compromising his Monaco Q3 purple sectors lap as a result of a controversial spin OR Perez winning the Monaco race the next day OR Perez allegedly cheating on his wife after the Monaco race OR all of that OR none of that ?

For sure Marko, Horner and media trainers will have some extra home work this week.

[minn19]

Originally Posted by Artemis

Uh-oh, what happened in Monaco, didn't stay in Monaco. Gloves are off now down at camp Verstappen.

Out of the blue, responding to an Instagram post lambasting her son about the Brazil race, Verstappen's mother interfered in the discussion with a - subsequently deleted - reply calling out Perez for cheating on his wife in Monaco: "and then in the evening cheating on his wife". If that post is legit, then it seems that the divide is running deeper than perceived so far.

Is Verstappen's wrath caused either by Perez compromising his Monaco Q3 purple sectors lap as a result of a controversial spin OR Perez winning the Monaco race the next day OR Perez allegedly cheating on his wife after the Monaco race OR all of that OR none of that ?

For sure Marko, Horner and media trainers will have some extra home work this week.

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Wow, they went with the nuclear option pretty quickly. This’ll help things.

All over really nothing but ego, wow. Lesson for future Max teammates, toe the line even if you don’t know where the line is. Or else the entire Verstappen clan is coming after you and it’ll get very public/personal pretty quickly.

[Artemis]

Originally Posted by minn19

Wow, they went with the nuclear option pretty quickly. This’ll help things.

Sophie Kumpen is generally known to be a genuinely kind person. Really. Suddenly posting an Instagram comment like that - although only briefly online - suggests IMHO that, on a personal level, the relationship between the Verstappens and Perez is broken beyond repair. But the show must go on.

The press has picked up the story: https://www.dailymail.co.uk/sport/fo...ting-wife.html ("F1 world champion Max Verstappen's mum accuses his Red Bull teammate Sergio Perez of cheating on his WIFE before deleting post - as fight over controversial Brazil GP finish explodes").

If sponsors would start to strongly question Red Bull Racing about the turn of events, the fate of Perez may get sealed. For now: just wave and smile. Dutch expression: "Wie geschoren wordt, moet stilzitten" = when you're being shaved, you got to sit still (meaning: hunker down until the storm has settled).

[br438]

Originally Posted by NYG

It was 100% a racing incident. Arguing that Max deserved a time penalty is silly but arguing that Max deserved penalty points is just bias to the extreme.

The regs say "significantly alongside"... and Max was absolutely significantly alongside - so should have been entitled to space.

My issue is not with what is or isn't allowed - just that the FIA has made zero progress in being consistent about any of it. It doesn't seem that hard to me, but... I am speaking from the cheapest of seats. hahahahahaaa.

[TheBingoBalls]

Originally Posted by br438

The regs say "significantly alongside"... and Max was absolutely significantly alongside - so should have been entitled to space.

My issue is not with what is or isn't allowed - just that the FIA has made zero progress in being consistent about any of it. It doesn't seem that hard to me, but... I am speaking from the cheapest of seats. hahahahahaaa.

To be fair, they have been consistent. They have been penalizing most things. Racing incident/clean racing is pretty much dead in this era.

Moving forward, everyone should expect a penalty if any driver tags another driver.

[Autobacs]

Originally Posted by Artemis

Sophie Kumpen is generally known to be a genuinely kind person. Really. Suddenly posting an Instagram comment like that - although only briefly online - suggests IMHO that, on a personal level, the relationship between the Verstappens and Perez is broken beyond repair. But the show must go on.

The press has picked up the story: https://www.dailymail.co.uk/sport/fo...ting-wife.html ("F1 world champion Max Verstappen's mum accuses his Red Bull teammate Sergio Perez of cheating on his WIFE before deleting post - as fight over controversial Brazil GP finish explodes").

If sponsors would start to strongly question Red Bull Racing about the turn of events, the fate of Perez may get sealed. For now: just wave and smile. Dutch expression: "Wie geschoren wordt, moet stilzitten" = when you're being shaved, you got to sit still (meaning: hunker down until the storm has settled).

Hmm. What was ALO chatting like old Buddies with Marko and Horner in Brazil when I remember them tangling in public years ago about what RB offered and did not offer ALO

[minn19]

Originally Posted by NYG

Ocon's season with Alonso should reinforce that no?

I guess I don’t get this statement. I know you guys love Alonso, but I don’t see it. He’s borderline overrated since his comeback and is one of the biggest whiners IMO. He’s losing to Ocon in the standings so I’m sure the battles aren’t all Ocon’s fault. Ocon, Gasly and even Riccardo have all managed to get a win and Alonso has only managed to get one podium in that time frame since his comeback? Dude needs to check his ego, whine less and concentrate on driving more. I don’t see it getting any better with his move to AM, but we’ll obviously see next year.

[Arcades]

Originally Posted by Artemis

Sophie Kumpen is generally known to be a genuinely kind person. Really. Suddenly posting an Instagram comment like that - although only briefly online - suggests IMHO that, on a personal level, the relationship between the Verstappens and Perez is broken beyond repair. But the show must go on.

The press has picked up the story: https://www.dailymail.co.uk/sport/fo...ting-wife.html ("F1 world champion Max Verstappen's mum accuses his Red Bull teammate Sergio Perez of cheating on his WIFE before deleting post - as fight over controversial Brazil GP finish explodes").

If sponsors would start to strongly question Red Bull Racing about the turn of events, the fate of Perez may get sealed. For now: just wave and smile. Dutch expression: "Wie geschoren wordt, moet stilzitten" = when you're being shaved, you got to sit still (meaning: hunker down until the storm has settled).

From just a casual observer (me), it isn't hard to see RB will pretty much always put Max first above anyone because he is their future, with god knows how ever many championships he can still win.

I constantly get the feeling that Perez, with the car he had this year, should have done better, and he should be clear in 2nd after the initial few races when Ferrari started... well Ferraring themselves constantly. Now, regardless of the rumors Perez may have just sank his only shot at staying relevant.

Some times, staying 2nd to a driver like Max, being there to support is far better than disappearing and forgotten in a year. This quite possibility might have just happened because Perez made a bold decision.

[Autobacs]

Originally Posted by minn19

I guess I don’t get this statement. I know you guys love Alonso, but I don’t see it. He’s borderline overrated since his comeback and is one of the biggest whiners IMO. He’s losing to Ocon in the standings so I’m sure the battles aren’t all Ocon’s fault. Ocon, Gasly and even Riccardo have all managed to get a win and Alonso has only managed to get one podium in that time frame since his comeback? Dude needs to check his ego, whine less and concentrate on driving more. I don’t see it getting any better with his move to AM, but we’ll obviously see next year.

Well there is always a minority opinion. The experts think otherwise. Certainly all the teams he's driven for think otherwise too in how much they decided to pay him. I do not think that you've actually watched all the battles nor are you aware of the DNF's he's had, nor did you watch the Hungary race Ocon won, LOL, because how can you not know if not for Alonso, most likely Ocon would not have won. The consensus is Ocon races him harder (to the detriment of the team), which is validated by Ocon's history of battles with his previous team mates. The penalty in Brazil he did admit making a mistake. Why do you think Alpine (a French team) thought it fit to give Ocon(a Frenchman) a Team order in Brazil? An F1 Driver having a super ego? That's not surprising one bit.

[M5Rick]

Oh I love F1 and all it's intricacies on and off the track, the social media snowflakes are having a wondrous time

[M5Rick]

Originally Posted by NYG

It was 100% a racing incident. Arguing that Max deserved a time penalty is silly but arguing that Max deserved penalty points is just bias to the extreme.

This is the crux of the whole matter, why did Max get that time penalty.

[Artemis]

Originally Posted by M5Rick

Oh I love F1 and all its intricacies on and off the track

Helmut Marko told ORF (Austrian Broadcasting Corporation) during the Brazil race weekend: "We are in talks [with] Ricciardo. But that’s primarily the function of a reserve driver, simulator driver and various promotional appearances, without us making a fixed commitment regarding a [racing cockpit]."
(https://www.planetf1.com/news/daniel...-reserve-role/)

[M5Rick]

Originally Posted by Artemis

Helmut Marko told ORF (Austrian Broadcasting Corporation) during the Brazil race weekend: "We are in talks [with] Ricciardo. But that’s primarily the function of a reserve driver, simulator driver and various promotional appearances, without us making a fixed commitment regarding a [racing cockpit]."
(https://www.planetf1.com/news/daniel...-reserve-role/)

Interesting that from Marko as Lawson has already been confirmed as reserve driver for '23.
https://www.formula1.com/en/latest/a...JROVfv7c7.html

[Marcoose]

The white, privileged, rich, successful driver camp dragging another driver’s family through the mud. Deplorable.

[Artemis]

Originally Posted by M5Rick

Interesting that from Marko as Lawson has already been confirmed as reserve driver for '23.
https://www.formula1.com/en/latest/a...JROVfv7c7.html

Time will tell what Red Bull Racing decided/decides about Perez: keep him on board for 2023 or early exit after the forthcoming Abu Dhabi race ?