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Now, with the M3, I definitely agree that they should revert back to weight savings. Unfortunately, that will probably never happen.
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The new M3 is almost 200 lbs lighter than E9x M3.
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It weighs only 50% of a traditional AWD system and is independently controllable. It takes the drive from the front end of the crankshaft instead of from the gearbox as other systems do. http://blog.caranddriver.com/funky-f...-drive-system/ http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ferrari_FF Last edited by Boss330; 04-19-2014 at 12:22 PM.. |
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I get what the OP is saying, but are the CLS/E 63, RS7 and GTR the best comparisons? Specifically, would the new Alpina B6 GC xDrive be a better comparison of AWD vs. RWD with substantial HP (540) and torque (540) since it will have BMW "DNA" so to speak? Seeing how the Alpina puts down the power AND handles, along with comparing the numbers at high speeds (Alpina supposely will be limited at 198 mph) might provide some good data. I know that the M5 and B6 are different cars, but Alpina seems to do really well when it adds to existing BMW technology. The fun factor of RWD is hard to dispute and discount. Just trying to think about this a little differently, but more knowledgeable people please enlighten me/us...
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Also you ever notice how people in regular cars get all pissed off whenever you display the RWD and DSC OFF around them? I hate that.
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modulate throttle and check tire pressure. I don't have this issue.
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Typical Eurobankrupt failing attitude. Newsflash, you are not above us. Quite the contrary. |
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Yawn. I have been to performance school more times than you have been to the toilet.
And understanding how to manage wheel spin and control a car that wants to go out of control, all the time, does not exactly disprove my original post. Last edited by BMWonlyZone; 04-19-2014 at 08:42 PM.. |
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On a side note, I test drove the F-Type Cab today and was very impressed. Power delivery is very smooth and the sound is just intoxicating. Might get a Coupe to replace the M6. I never really adapted to the turbo lag The only drawback is that the interior plainly sucks in the jag. |
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I have to agree with 4wd. but not because of its hp but weight. the M5 has about 45kg of extra weight in the nose and 150kg overall that should not be there and it makes it slightly unbalanced and in my opinion the 4wd despite beeing heavier would give it more precision. if its power and rwd only you need I think the M3 will be the answer. In any case here in europe most roads you just have enough space to fit the M5 let alone drift it.
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I've sat in the Coupe R before and your right the interior leaves much to be desired but I found the ergonomics to be quite excellent although the seats in the F8x M3/M4 are 3x as comfortable as the Jags. I'm not sure I could take really long trips in the Coupe R, but that stock exhaust note is like having Kiera Knightley talk dirty to you.
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Neither have I ever said so, quite the contrary. In your last rant against me as a European I acknowledged the fact that Europe would not have been what it is today without the Marshall aid plan after WWII. Or as a very important ally during WWII, the cold war and today. To me the US is a favourite holiday destination. I have US family living close by me over here (one of them is actually having dinner at our house now). We visit our US family frequently and will celebrate 4th of July with them this summer. I have several active duty military family members in the US, including a Navy Seal. I have great respect for the US and my country has very close military and political ties with the US My country's constitution (which is 200 years this year, making it the second oldest democratic constitution in the world that is still in place in it's original form) is based on the US and French constitutions, indicating what major impact the US had on Europe as well. But you obviously must have a grudge against us Europeans, since a simple comment about "marque vs marquee" makes you insult me as a European and everything else European... THAT is amusing If you feel the US is "above Europe" (based on your "quite the contrary" comment). Good for you In many, many areas, the US is above/better than Europe Last edited by Boss330; 04-20-2014 at 07:50 AM.. |
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Funny how you got attacked. Fact of the matter is that you are CORRECT. It is wildly out of control when you try to put the power down. All of these "super drivers" claiming to have such skill to control the car and advising that you attend driving school, etc. are experiencing EXACTLY what you are. I have had an F10 M5 and currently am F12 M6 cab and pretty much every time I drive the M6 I get the same feeling. People "adapt" to what they drive and learn to overlook the flaws. Many will argue until they are blue in the face to defend the car, right or wrong. Remember the MotorTrend track comparison against the AMG, 911, etc, where Randy Probst said "The only car I didn't want to take around the track again was the M6"? Yeah, I found myself defending the car. Now I get it. Fact is, it is an issue. The new M cars are wonderful cars and have ridiculously good characteristics but this is truly a flaw. BMW has not figured out how to make the power usable at low end. Driving the M car side by side with a powerful AWD car makes it off the charts noticeable. I get put of my Porsche TTS (I know this comparison will irritate some but nonetheless it is very much a reality) that literally jumps off the line and sticks in turns harder as you mash the throttle and then into the M6 and I find it to be almost as if it is completely out of control. Constant modulation of the throttle is necessary to avoid wheel spin from a stop unless you very gradually apply throttle off the line and in curves-forget it. Then there's Launch "Control". No "Control" about it. BMW has not gotten the power to ground formula figured out in this car. Great car but with this much power AWD is needed. Would vastly improve the drivability. BMW has the problem of added weight however. I suspect this is the actual reason for not going to AWD rather than BMWs claim that they want the car to remain a "true RWD driving car." It's not a track car. Far too heavy. Need to take advantage of its strength-POWER! AWD would do that instantly and guaranteed everyone opposing your view would trade their RWD the day it was available.
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Good thread. Bout time someone livened up things around here. lol!
Also do we think the M3/M4 is going to be any better as far as traction goes? Prolly not.
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