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In terms of lithium mining and recycling, this is something else that, as you said, needs a bit more study. That said, I really doubt that material collection and recycling comes close to what our coal plants are expelling. They're also something we're improving upon. So as I said before, they're getting 'greener' while the ICE isn't (significantly) Investment greener energy and electric vehicles is absolutely a value added enterprise. When I get back to work on Monday, I'll try to pull up some good studies to post. For the record. I'm an electrical engineer in the power industry. I work with generation and distribution. This is a constant discussion in my industry.
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I know 6 people amongst my closest friends and colleagues who either have or will soon have a Model 3, 4 of which are car enthusiasts. I don't think any of them would know or care about what a "Chevy Bolt" is. Even I would have to Google it to recall what it looks like.
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In the end both vehicles are selling well.
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I was really impressed with the Model 3 having driven it a few times. It is not comparable to an M3. It is a semi-sporty sedan with a futuristic minimalist interior, if thats your thing (I liked the interior a lot). I won't buy a Model 3 for multiple reasons: 1) Emerging tech always gets hit hard with problems and depreciation. 2) Too expensive as it is priced in the 50k range. 3) Still not sold on the limitations of an electric vehicle and the driving range compromises that come with it.
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Intuitively, EVs caused significant environmental damage; irrespective of whether they are marginally or even measurably better from a GHG perspective. I would much rather see investment in technologies that hold the potential to significantly alter the equation (eg. thermocatalytic decomposition and/or wind/solar electrolysis for manufacturing hydrogen as a fuel source) than the current rush to treat EVs as a panacea for all our environmental ills. It has not been studied enough and both industry and government are behaving irresponsibly). |
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EV's don't have anything to do with the means of power production anyways. If we have a massive shift to EV tomorrow, we're just going to burn more coal, as that's where most of our power comes from. It's not like they're going to go out and damn up a bunch of rivers. The industry is slowly shifting the grid to solar and wind currently.
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It’s really ugly.
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You also can't lease them right now.
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I've test driven a Bolt and came away impressed with the vehicle for what it is. If I were in the market for a small FWD hatchback, would I pay $40k for this particular vehicle with no better performance than any other small FWD hatchback I could obtain for less money? Not necessarily. But it is definitely a quality product. As the cost of EVs comes down closer to ICE vehicles, products like the Bolt are going to become compelling for those looking for basic affordable transportation.
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Horrid quality, half baked looks, cost cuts galore. Objectively, it's a good 7/10ths car, but for $80k fully loaded I expected a lot better than an iPad strapped to a dash.
The lack of physical controls, and the cheap looking (read: plain) interior are especially appaling. How can this car cost this much and look so bad? |
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I'd describe it as utilitarian. I've seen the interior in person and cheap doesn't come to mind for me, it's just a very different take on what a car should be.
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Just had a good look at a silver Model 3 on my way in today. I'm sorry, but the front end is just fugly, no other way to put it... FUGLY.
And the flame surfacing (thanks Mr. Bangle) is just not well executed either. If it was my dog I'd shave its butt and teach it to drive backwards... |
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Utilitarian. Looks cheap and incomplete. |
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