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I'm one that will appreciate/buy a quality car made by any manufacturer (well, almost any ), regardless of country of origin. Definitely not brand myopic.
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Here's an example. Ford claims the Boss 302 is faster then several cars including the M3 at Laguna Seca. Reality is, the Boss has never beaten the M3's times at any other track when tested by several non-american magazines including Evo. Manufacturers lie. Thats why no one cars about Ring times anymore unless independently tested. Last edited by Digital.James; 05-20-2012 at 07:10 AM.. |
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Who cares about the Boss 302? 1 second is substantial. 15 is an eternity.
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I like the styling of the CTS and the interior (besides the horrible seats) isn't too bad. The biggest winner is the Bose surround system in the Caddy, I can guarantee you nothing beats the way it sounds. Not even the Bang and Olufsen in some Audi's.
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By all accounts I've seen the CTS-V has be lauded by the vast majority of reviews as a very good handling car and not just a 'strait' line powered car you claim. You fail right there. Just because you think the two mags are biased and so is the Nurburgring times doesnt make it so. It just makes you paranoid and a tin foil hat wearing, head up ass, myopic, foreign car is better attitude BS you're spewing here. |
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As if the euro car mags arent biased. Give them a car with torque and they cant drive. They'll have you believe a 400hp car is as fast as 600hp car. |
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Caddy didn't too bad here against a Competition Package M3. Realize that because of the power/size discrepancy this isn't a true apples to apples comparison. But because the Cadillac "won" the review was biased, right? http://www.insideline.com/cadillac/c...-m3-coupe.html You do realize that the verified lap time by the CTS-V was a full 15 seconds+ faster than the M3, right? That's a huge gap.
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Beat the M3 here too:
http://www.fastestlaps.com/laptimes/4ca79a3c1ebd6.html Is it faster on every track? Probably not. Will the driver make a difference? Always - no matter the car. Point is the CTS-V can hang and you kind of just popped off at the mouth, for whatever reason, before you knew much about it. It's okay bro. Your car is still awesome but I assure you that there's always someone/something faster.
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Why not just import it from the US?
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I agree with you the E9x interior design can look pretty plain without the i-drive NAV. But that is because most BMW interiors are designed with i-drive in mind without them they look lost. That is why in higher series cars like 5, 6 and 7 even if you do not get the NAV system you still get the i-drive screen for aesthetic purposes.
None the less you are right the fit and finish is still nice for BMW and Caddy is close but not there yet. Oh and another thing is that sitting in both my best friends M3's it seems like BMW did a half ass job on the center tunnel for M3's right around the gear box to where the center armrest or storage bin is located. Because in my E92 335i the wood interior runs all the way up to the armrest from the gear box. The entire center tunnel has matching wood. But in the M3 there is no wood or carbon fiber instead a plain jane naked black plastic. Why BMW.....it makes no sense. Just take a look at these two pics.....why would BMW do half a** job on M car? vs non M car. One thing that I did like about the CTS-V interior was the suede steering wheel cover it felt real nice and soft on the race track.
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Please list your credentials behind your expertise on these vehicles, along with a list of those you have driven and where (which I'm sure the Z06, CTS-V, and BOSS are on, right???). Also, I'm not sure if you realize this, but your sig screams, HEY I'M VIOLATING ToU, PERMABAN MY IPS IMMEDIATELY. You might want to change that, especially before posting in a thread with a mod. Anyway, for those saying the times for the American cars are "fake", maybe take a look at the guys who put up a lot of those times. Pobst has chosen Euro cars over American cars after driving them back to back on the same course, even when the American cars win. Now tell me.... Why would he sandbag the Euro car and then pick it anyway? He wouldn't. I think it still takes more skill to extract the full potential of a lot of these cars, BOSS and Shelby included (and I'd imagine CTS-V and ZL1 as well). The balance of steering and feedback along with their predictable tendencies at the limit make the amateur driver feel like they can go faster in the M3 versus some of these cars. That makes a metric shit tonne of sense. However, one has to realize that these professional drivers, like Pobst, have the skill and experience to drive the American cars much faster than your average Joe. It doesn't surprise me that some of you think the M3 is faster from the driver's seat. That's to be expected when amateurs are at the wheel (<--- This is NOT a dig at anyone, I'm an amateur too). However, this isn't necessarily going to translate to faster lap times in the hands of a pro. They're professionals for a reason. As far as the accusation that GM sent out a hero car to do that lap.... Who doesn't send ringers to the media? Off the top of my head, the ridonkulous '07 335i that was making rounds is one I can think of. All manufacturers do it. If your hero car doesn't lap as fast as the other guy's hero car, maybe their car is indeed faster? Maybe you just suck at setting up your hero car.... I don't know. But in the end, why is it so hard to believe a 556 HP car can lap the ring that fast? Because of its weight? Well I don't mean to compare the CTS-V to the GT-R, but Godzilla has proven weight can be effectively ignored to an extent (albeit through a great AWD system). What about the M5? That thing has been thumbing its nose at curb weight for a long time too. So now when Cadillac does it, it must be faked? Gimme a freaking break. Last edited by ragingclue; 05-21-2012 at 08:57 AM.. |
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Jesus what do you guys drive Bentleys??? The interior is Awesome.. The seats don't peal, the buttons work right, you can see the digital screen, and best of all no foam dash.. Its a win win everywhere..
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I personally would like the interior better if it was less glossy, and I abhor pop-up nav screens.
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When I have been looking for cars to replace my BMW I never dreamed it would be a Cadillac. But its that good. Also I will NEVER deal with BMW ever again.. BMW NA obviously didn't want my business the way they treated me. They kiss your ass when you are buying the car but when you need help cus the car is having problems they do not care.
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