F1 2021: Abu Dhabi GP - Yas Marina (Dec 12)

[Autobacs]

Originally Posted by M5Rick

Then what about Senna/Prost off at '90 Fuji, why wasn't Senna DQ'd.

Because it happened before Jerez, which set the precedent.

[Killed by Death]

Originally Posted by Humdizzle

i think redbull is going to be very aggressive here. both drivers will probably be instructed to do everything they can to stop lewis and not give him any room. They could really just have perez punt him off in the first corner and say that his brakes failed or he locked them up. verstappen would be free of blame.

MB could do the same with BOT and have better odds of making it work...PER might not be close enough to the front for your scenario to work. RUS might also be persuaded to take on for the team. Don't try to act like MB is above getting dirty.

Still think my Kimi solution works better. Punt hammy, tell the FIA to pi$$ off and retire

[SenorFunkyPants]

If its near the end of the race Hamilton needs to have the fastest lap sown up...so that Verstappen won't risk crashing them both out of the results.

[F87source]

Originally Posted by Killed by Death

The Merc seems like it's the strongest car ever manufactured

I seem to remember VET trying to take HAM out several times during their championship battle. As well as I can remember, the clashes always ended up with a piled up Ferrari

When I saw the brake check last weekend I thought surely HAM would need a new wing, NOPE

But, VER was also lucky not to come away with a cut tire

I don't condone it but should VER or PER decide to take HAM out they better do it BIG. If not HAM will drive away to another WDC IMHO.

As I mentioned several races ago my money is still on HAM & MB

Could be superior carbon technology, hockey stick companies recently invented a "elastomer" tech that strengths carbon fiber from micro cracking due to slashes and repeated wear and tear. It literally made sticks last alot longer before failing.

[Killed by Death]

Originally Posted by SenorFunkyPants

If its near the end of the race Hamilton needs to have the fastest lap sown up...so that Verstappen won't risk crashing them both out of the results.

That is where HAM can count on BOT more than VER can rely on PER.

[F87source]

You guys forget Bottas took out both redbulls with one shot, XD, so if things get fishy Bottas could pull a bowling mastery again.

[Chihuahua]

Originally Posted by M5Rick

Then what about Senna/Prost off at '90 Fuji, why wasn't Senna DQ'd.

I don't know that the FIA was quite the 'nanny state' organization that it is today.

[Artemis]

Hopefully you can see the blocked videos. Works if I click on these.

Prost - Senna | 1989 | Suzuka - Japan
Senna disqualified | Senna #2 (60 pts) | Prost #1 (76 pts)

Prost - Senna | 1990 | Suzuka - Japan
No further action | Senna #1 (78 pts) | Prost #1 (71 pts)

Hill - Schumacher | 1994 | Adelaide - Australia
Hill #2 (91 pts) | Schumacher #1 (92 pts)

Schumacher - Villeneuve | 1997 | Jerez - Spain
Schumacher disqualified | Schumacher (78 pts) | Villeneuve #1 (81 pts)

Lewis Hamilton in 1998:

Max Verstappen in 2009:

[Humdizzle]

Originally Posted by Killed by Death

That is where HAM can count on BOT more than VER can rely on PER.

didn't bottas and hamilton have a rivalry at one point? bottas threatening to leave MB because they wanted him to let lewis by. i don't think their best buds.

[Killed by Death]

Originally Posted by Humdizzle

didn't bottas and hamilton have a rivalry at one point? bottas threatening to leave MB because they wanted him to let lewis by. i don't think their best buds.

Guess I meant BOT will probably be better positioned on the grid to help HAM. Motivation to help could be a different story.

[andrewmr]

Originally Posted by SenorFunkyPants

If its near the end of the race Hamilton needs to have the fastest lap sown up...so that Verstappen won't risk crashing them both out of the results.

Fastest lap won't mean anything at this point.

Who ever finishes ahead of the other wins the championship.

[Blindside_137]

Originally Posted by andrewmr

Fastest lap won't mean anything at this point.

Who ever finishes ahead of the other wins the championship.

This. Fastest lap is also meaningless if they DNF

[Humdizzle]

Originally Posted by andrewmr

Fastest lap won't mean anything at this point.

Who ever finishes ahead of the other wins the championship.

correct. fastest lap only gets you points if you finish in the top 10. its not going to matter to these two.

[minn19]

Originally Posted by Killed by Death

Guess I meant BOT will probably be better positioned on the grid to help HAM. Motivation to help could be a different story.

Agreed, BOT still wants a career in F1 and I don’t see him throwing it away to help Lewis or Merc like this. Hold up Max etc where he can, sure but I don’t see him trying to deliberately crash Max.

That’s not MBs style anyway, they are going in very confident (probably arrogantly so) of their car, team and of course driver to get it done without resorting to that stuff.

[///M Power-Belgium]

Originally Posted by Killed by Death

The Merc seems like it's the strongest car ever manufactured

I seem to remember VET trying to take HAM out several times during their championship battle. As well as I can remember, the clashes always ended up with a piled up Ferrari

When I saw the brake check last weekend I thought surely HAM would need a new wing, NOPE

But, VER was also lucky not to come away with a cut tire

I don't condone it but should VER or PER decide to take HAM out they better do it BIG. If not HAM will drive away to another WDC IMHO.

As I mentioned several races ago my money is still on HAM & MB

40% of MAX's diffuser was gone ...the turbulence took the cars stability completely away .

HAM's "Flexible Mercedes front wing was just too strong !

[F87source]

Originally Posted by ///M Power-Belgium

40% of MAX's diffuser was gone ...the turbulence took the cars stability completely away .

HAM's "Flexible Mercedes front wing was just too strong !

Where's your actual (not opinionated sources like you provided last time) proof max's diffuser was damaged that badly?

[///M Power-Belgium]

Originally Posted by Killed by Death

Guess I meant BOT will probably be better positioned on the grid to help HAM. Motivation to help could be a different story.

BOT will fail again . As usual by the lack of racecraft .

Over one lap in QF he's OK , because he's pushed by the Merc warp-speed
But in the race I think he's very (too) chicken .

[///M Power-Belgium]

Originally Posted by F87source

Where's your actual (not opinionated sources like you provided last time) proof max's diffuser was damaged that badly?

Mate .Do you have a computer ? Laptop ? Smartphone ?

If I post the link or whatever .You will sound like an elephant in a china store .

Carry on !

[F87source]

Originally Posted by ///M Power-Belgium

Mate .Do you have a computer ? Laptop ? Smartphone ?

If I post the link or whatever .You will sound like an elephant in a china store .

Carry on !

Lol because there isn't anything that I could find referencing max's sustained damage as a result of that collision.

Don't forget the last time you posted a link about redbull's wing upgrades to match mercedes in terms of flexibility, that link was total nonsense and was based on pure opinionated speculation - there was zero truth, leaks, or anything. So everytime I cannot find something easily on google I give you a chance to respond with fact, otherwise it is just made up again.

[Killed by Death]

Originally Posted by minn19

That’s not MBs style anyway,...

How do we know? In recent times, at least 7 years, they haven't faced any competition

I'm hoping for a fair fight from both sides.

[Crimson92]

Originally Posted by ///M Power-Belgium

BOT will fail again . As usual by the lack of racecraft .

Over one lap in QF he's OK , because he's pushed by the Merc warp-speed
But in the race I think he's very (too) chicken .

I'm sure you could do better ?

[minn19]

Originally Posted by Killed by Death

How do we know? In recent times, at least 7 years, they haven't faced any competition

I'm hoping for a fair fight from both sides.

The last few races BOT had a few chances to take out VER and didn’t even impede him. You are right, you never know when the pressure/stakes are this high though.