The Force was too strong...slipped to the Dark Side

ColdList · 09-03-2013, 01:23 PM

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Originally Posted by Simon H

I do think, that when the new 991 Turbo/S arrives, you will be first in the que for one of those

DON'T PUT THAT THOUGHT IN MY HEAD!-lol!

I found myself telling my wife today "one more to go"-hahahaha! I LOVE my Carrera S and I WILL keep it for a year or more!

Rob///M5 · 09-03-2013, 01:34 PM

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Originally Posted by Vic55

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Originally Posted by ColdList

Ummmm you need to drive a PDK. To make a comparison to the SMG is seriously laughable-no offense. You are just misinformed on this one.

It throws you in a good way. There is no similarity to a single clutch in any fashion. The word I should use is it "pushes" the car forward. This is because of the SUPERIOR dual clutch rev matching-better than the DCT IMO. It is praised as the most highly-sophisticated dual clutch transmission in the world. It is another integral part of the connected driving experience of the Porsche.

And the reason for the non-violent shifts in the DCT is simple as well-it is a dual clutch that rev matches extremely well also. Speed and smoothness are the characteristics intended to be delivered by dual clutch transmissions.

As an owner of both, I concur--- its in the software of the PDK vs the DCT.

Well that's great news. I'm sad the GT3 doesn't offer a 6MT option, but the PDK-S should be unreal

Vic55 · 09-03-2013, 01:50 PM

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Originally Posted by Rob///M5

Well that's great news. I'm sad the GT3 doesn't offer a 6MT option, but the PDK-S should be unreal

You will be very very happy---

Bimmer6 · 09-03-2013, 01:50 PM

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Originally Posted by Rob///M5

Well that's great news. I'm sad the GT3 doesn't offer a 6MT option, but the PDK-S should be unreal

Rob go to utube and see Chris Harris "drive" in the new GT3, and his comments about not having a stick he was disappointed. However, during the drive he didn't miss it. By the way his personal car is a GT3 RS 4.0. I have a stick in my 991S (7SP) But rumor with Porsche they're all going away just like the M5. Evolution sucks

ColdList · 09-03-2013, 02:01 PM

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Originally Posted by Vic55

You will be very very happy---

Oh my...

Bimmer6 · 09-03-2013, 04:00 PM

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Originally Posted by ColdList

Oh my...

Oh boy the order is in for a GT3

M54ccibo · 09-03-2013, 04:10 PM

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Originally Posted by Vic55

You will be very very happy---

That is heavenly. Soo good...

Bimmer6 · 09-03-2013, 05:38 PM

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Originally Posted by Ftc120

I believe M cars will continue to offer manuals in the states. 2014 M5's can be ordered with manuals and the word is that 2015's will also.

Where did you get that from? The 2013 were not scheduled, and was changed last minute my friend. 2015 they will be gone and done as the GT3. Too much cost to run the line with little takers.

ColdList · 09-03-2013, 05:47 PM

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Originally Posted by Bimmer6

Where did you get that from? The 2013 were not scheduled, and was changed last minute my friend. 2015 they will be gone and done as the GT3. Too much cost to run the line with little takers.

No manual 2015 M5
http://www.motorauthority.com/news/1...l-transmission

Bimmer6 · 09-03-2013, 05:55 PM

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Originally Posted by ColdList

No manual 2015 M5
http://www.motorauthority.com/news/1...l-transmission

Mike he will not listen (:

dhirm5 · 09-03-2013, 06:01 PM

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Originally Posted by Vic55

You will be very very happy---

This may be superfluous since you guys have F10 M5s already, but the M-DCT seems faster to me than the PDK in the GT3 video. Not saying anything about the car beyond the shift speed - I'm sure it's the tits - so keep your porsche-loving pants on..

Vic55 · 09-03-2013, 06:15 PM

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Originally Posted by dhirm5

This may be superfluous since you guys have F10 M5s already, but the M-DCT seems faster to me than the PDK in the GT3 video. Not saying anything about the car beyond the shift speed - I'm sure it's the tits - so keep your porsche-loving pants on..

LOL ---- didnt know you had the shift time meter on board........ (I joke)

Like you said "seems"...... but the BMW does shift damn fast while the Pcar is more of 8500 rpm thrust.

I like my Porsche Pants AND my Bimmer pantalones...

ColdList · 09-03-2013, 06:21 PM

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Originally Posted by Vic55

I like my Porsche Pants AND my Bimmer pantalones...

et moi aussi!

dhirm5 · 09-03-2013, 07:25 PM

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Originally Posted by Vic55

LOL ---- didnt know you had the shift time meter on board........ (I joke)

Like you said "seems"...... but the BMW does shift damn fast while the Pcar is more of 8500 rpm thrust.

I like my Porsche Pants AND my Bimmer pantalones...

Und ich auch - ich mag meine bimmer hosen..

I cannot wait to get into my LCI F10 M5 CP. You guys are lucky to be able to even have this debate.

DMC126 · 09-03-2013, 07:34 PM

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Originally Posted by ColdList

No manual 2015 M5
http://www.motorauthority.com/news/1077138_next-bmw-m5-and-m6-wont-offer-a-manual-transmission

No Manual Transmission for Next Generation M5 not Model year M5

The Albert Biermann quote is in reference to the F10 M5 being the last generation with manual transmission for the M5, not 2013 being the last Model year for the F10 M5 manual transmission.

http://f10.m5post.com/forums/showthread.php?t=708248

No Manual Transmission for Next Gen M5 Confirms BMW M Engineering Head
If you're an M5 and manual transmission fan then this current F10 M5 generation will be your last chance to own the combination. BMW M's head of engineering, Albert Biermann let on this week to Insideline that there are no plans to fit the next generation M5 or M6 with a manual transmission. Manual transmission is currently offered as a no-cost option for the F10 M5 in North America (only) and will likely become an option for the F12/F13 M6 as well.

The 2015 M5 will be the current generation not the next generation M5.

In view of the costs required to bring the manual transmission to market, it is highly unlikely that BMW would cease to offer the manual transmission in the middle of Model Production Runs (F10 M5, F12/13 M6s)

ColdList · 09-03-2013, 07:45 PM

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Originally Posted by DMC126

No Manual Transmission for Next Generation M5 not Model year M5

The Albert Biermann quote is in reference to the F10 M5 being the last generation with manual transmission for the M5, not 2013 being the last Model year for the F10 M5 manual transmission.

http://f10.m5post.com/forums/showthread.php?t=708248" rel="" target="_blank">http://<a href="http://f10.m5post.co...p?t=708248</a>

No Manual Transmission for Next Gen M5 Confirms BMW M Engineering Head
If you're an M5 and manual transmission fan then this current F10 M5 generation will be your last chance to own the combination. BMW M's head of engineering, Albert Biermann let on this week to Insideline that there are no plans to fit the next generation M5 or M6 with a manual transmission. Manual transmission is currently offered as a no-cost option for the F10 M5 in North America (only) and will likely become an option for the F12/F13 M6 as well.

The 2015 M5 will be the current generation not the next generation M5.

In view of the costs required to bring the manual transmission to market, it is highly unlikely that BMW would cease to offer the manual transmission in the middle of Model Production Runs (F10 M5, F12/13 M6s)

I stand corrected. Thanks.

HOWEVER, I also heard a rumor from a highly credible source that the M Division has not received an approved R&D budget and that may mean the end to M cars as we know it in the very near future (ie: there may not even be a "next generation" M5). Rumor also has it that the plans for the new X5M have been put on hold. All of this in light of the massive investment that BMW has made into Hydrogen technologies.

RPiM5 · 09-03-2013, 08:31 PM

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Originally Posted by ColdList

HOWEVER< I also heard a rumor from a highly credible source that the N Division has not received an approved R&D budget and that may mean the end to M cars as we know it in the very near future (ie: there may not even be a "next generation" M5). Rumor also has it that the plans for the new X5M have been put on hold. All of this in light of the massive investment that BMW has made into Hydrogen technologies.

Dude, don't scare me.

dhirm5 · 09-03-2013, 08:54 PM

I wouldn't sweat it - the N division contributed very little to our //M cars..

Seriously though, in this day of 500+ hp cars from every manufacturer, I don't see BMW dropping the M cars any time soon. Instead, they'll just become less bespoke - tuned up versions of their non.//M counterparts. The S85 and S65 were likely the last fully //M engines we will see for the foreseeable future.

ColdList · 09-03-2013, 09:11 PM

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Originally Posted by dhirm5

I wouldn't sweat it - the N division contributed very little to our //M cars..

Seriously though, in this day of 500+ hp cars from every manufacturer, I don't see BMW dropping the M cars any time soon. Instead, they'll just become less bespoke - tuned up versions of their non.//M counterparts. The S85 and S65 were likely the last fully //M engines we will see for the foreseeable future.

Lol! I just caught that on my own thread. No N cars for sure!

Rumor is three years. We shall see...

ColdList · 09-04-2013, 09:37 AM

You are dreaming. 6MT is inferior and BMW is waiting for us on this side of the pond the get real.

Bimmer6 · 09-04-2013, 09:41 AM

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Originally Posted by Ftc120

Bimmer6,

I guess I have at least 3 more model years to own a manual M 5.

By the time the next generation m5 comes out for production the manual enthusiasts will have made enough of a stand in protests and sales that Bmw will again bring back the manual.

Long live manual M'S.

I hear ya! I love my paddles as you love your stick. Rememeber the world is build on margin, and a small percentage wants and they could reverse that at the drop of a dime. The same outcry occured with Ferrari and others, and they pressed on minus a stick. My 991S is a stick

B-1Pilot · 09-04-2013, 09:42 AM

Concur with Coldlist whole heartedly... MTs may give you a visceral or emotional connection to your car that you enjoy, and that's great.

But performance-wise, automatic systems will continue to be more and more prevalent.

Enjoy your MT along with your abacus, typewriter, revolver, prop airplane, hardbound book, and rotary phone.

I'll take better tech anyday

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