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2) All this stuff is already illegal in Norway, and Breivik used similar hardware to kill 70 vs. 12 for Holmes. 3) Therefore, laws limiting gun and ammo possession only apply to those who intend to follow laws. Murder is already illegal. 4) Having so many guns readily available might increase the rate of crimes of impulse/passion (which this was not), but the way most Americans see it is the one primarily responsible for defending yourself from all the rest of crimes is YOU 5) Our right to bear arms is based on the utility of using them to ensure the security of a free state (from foreign and domestic adversaries)- not on home defense or sport |
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If they start tracking ammo, that would most definitely be a big brother rights infringement. How much ammo I own for my legal firearms is none of the governments business. Your point is sort of invalid, because there are controls for law abiding citizens. Remember though...its not the law abiding citizens that we are worried about. Also, I would hardly consider his purchases "frantic" I have purchased more firearms in one legal transaction than he used for the shooting. Guess that makes me a criminal. |
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07-24-2012, 10:31 AM | #201 | |
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However, i'm not interested in paying the government to track private ammo sales. But agree that there is somewhat of an imbalance with the controls. I'm curios now to see what the death toll of abused prescription drugs are compared to shootings of this sort. I'm quite sure cars kill more people than guns across the line though. As i'm typing i'm thinking maybe the imbalance is perceived due to the media attention things like the colorado shooting get. I'm not sure. Quote:
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I think that the lighting conditions play into the hypothetical outcome far less than you suspect. Just opinion of course. Another point that has been overlooked. What if all the criminals knew that at least 15 to 20 percent of Americans were carrying a pistol and were better trained in using it. Do people think that criminals may think twice about pulling the great internet cafe heist? Colorado is a bit different depending on how screwed up this kid really is. But with the steps of protection he took and by not turning the gun on himself it seems he didn't want to die. Maybe if he thought the probability of someone shooting back was higher he would opted for something different? The crime rate in Kennasaw GA might provide some preliminary answers....
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I'm glad you did re-post it, as it serves as a good argument for CCW.
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"and I had been noticing how MPOWER was getting all worked up on the internet, and started to really worry that he was going to do something rash. THEN he bought those guns and all the ammo. I know something was wrong, but I didn't do anything"
j/k But didn't this fool live with roommates, who must have noticed all this going on??? |
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Theres other considerations too, as in if there is a cap, and you expend rounds legally at the range or whatever, you have to turn in your brass? Is is serialized? The idea of the government having a register with every gun owner and ammunition stored does not sit well with me as it serves to derail the purpose of the 2nd amendment IMHO. Also to spin the prescription parallel another way, by restricting the ammo sales and tracking, you only create a larger black market, and more illegal sales. The only ones that will be negatively effected by it will be law abiding citizens. |
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if guns don't kill people
why do some of you approve of civilians owning them? i mean i buy a gun that doesn't kill people?
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i can honestly say if it wasn't for the NRA paying large amounts of money to politicians
guns would have been banned here many years ago i still fail to see the logic we allow people to own guns because it might protect them from bad guys and yet now almost on a monthly basis we lose innocent people that are killed by some idiot who got a gun LEGALLY from a STORE. but that's ok, because maybe one day a good guy gets to use his gun to kill a bad guy that, to me at least, sounds like a losing proposition i think its a crying shame we lost those 12 people and to me stopping guns from being sold legally is well worth it you want to protect yourself get a stun gun or some other defensive weapon but owning an assault weapon? seriously?
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