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What is going to break first,
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This isn't what is believed. At least not by the science and policy Climate community. ICEs and EVs are one piece of the complicated puzzle. |
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Banning of private jets seems to be getting attention now.
Lets see if the elites pushing the EV deadlines will go along. Highly doubt it. |
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20GW is a very large amount of power, it is the equivalent of the entire output of the Three Gorges Dam. The largest NPP in the US is about 50 miles away from me, called Palo Verde and it's nameplate capacity is only 3937MW (3.9GW)... The largest solar farm in the US is only half a GW; https://www.solarfeeds.com/mag/solar-farms-in-the-usa/ and it's 13 square kilometers. Keep in mind that that number is nameplate capacity and real amount 22-32% of nameplate.
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Do you genuinely assume that we won't have more efficient photovoltaic solar cells, wind turbines, and dam turbines in 15 years? The rate of tech advancement these days dwarfs that of even five years ago, not to mention the fact that for the next 15 years, we'll be throwing an inordinate amount of money at these exact problems.
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09-01-2022, 06:31 PM | #206 | |
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Hydro is actively being targeted for removal due to environmental impact. You can upgrade a turbine some, but the net gains from that while removing generation sources is unlikely to be a net positive over time. This is not a growth area. Many of the good viable wind farms have already been built or are slated to be built, you will see diminishing gains as the "good sites" are already in use. Wind is also fickle, it's not steady like hydro, nuclear, or carbon. Sometimes it's just not blowing when you need it. Gains in tech isn't changing the laws of physics. Moores law applies to computer processing speed, not the power grid. Power generation is mostly a physics issue. You think it's fine when EV's are only >1% of then national fleet. that number is going to change faster than the supply side does. Anyone that grew up in an old house where you never flush the toilet when someone is taking a shower knows how this physics stuff works. If we actually cared about solving these problems for the sake of conservation and the environment (not just focusing on being politically correct), we'd be coupling these initiatives with policies like setting your thermostat to 80 in the summer, and 60 in the winter. We aren't doing that now are we? |
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Lets think about that shall we? If you double the power efficiency across the board, that half a gig plant becomes a gig nameplate and lets say realistically adds 250MW worth of baseload. If you increase the power efficiency by an order of magnitude, all of a sudden that is a 5GW nameplate solarfarm, largest in the world (currently largest is 2.2GW in india, across 14000 acres), which again really only produces about ~1-1.25GW of power on average, but obviously will have 4-4.5GW peaks. Lets say we built 5 of these new next-generation 10x better solar farms to produce a baseload of approx 5-6GW and peak production approx 20-23GW - Just enough to run these cars, but a small problem, they produce power during the day, or when it's sunny, which just so happens to be peak load. What does all this ACTUALLY mean? It means that you've swapped out your carbon baseload (LNG/coal etc etc) out for renewables so you can say you've shaved your peaks. You don't have to fire those coal peaker plants anymore to pick up the slack, because guess what all those solar panels produce power during the day, or in other words, during peak load. None of those panels do shit for you at night, when everyone is going to "charge the tessie". There is no means for real industrial grade energy storage. This is one of the very large issues that has not been solved yet. There is no means to store energy en masse. It gets crazier too; How long do these farms take to create? What's the comparable cost to adding 20GW of say LNG? How about Nuclear? Biomass? What's the average cost per kWh? Which do you think has the most expensive cost per kWh? Did you see them push a ton of bills to rush electrical infrastructure buildouts? Yeah me neither.
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dont people realize that mining for raw materials used in these EV batteries causes more pollution than any difference in gasoline burned during the cars life.
fossil fuel cars are actually less net impact on the environment and with mining you are only empowering dictatorships like china good job! you've really thunk this through 😑 |
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I'm part of the They. Aint happening that fast, not by a long shot. Even if we decided today to make it happen, it won't happen that fast. flushing a toilet and getting cold water sucks, power brownouts are a lot worse. |
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There are many more leaks that happen that you never hear about, or at least you don't hear about them in other parts of the country. I can point out a few recently here in AK.
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oil is renewable source, the earth is always churning out more and there is trillions of barrels untapped , all that malarkey over drilling is overhyped, there is far more damage being done mining for these rare earth minerals lithium, rather than drilling for oil that is all over Canada and the USA the next evolution for energy is zero point energy (discovered by Nikola Tesla btw) not a bunch of AA batteries glued together smh Last edited by GoneIn4Secs; 09-02-2022 at 09:04 PM.. |
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"So here are 5 coal miners pushing a battery car to the coal mine to charge up,"
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Their electric grid is going to have major issues. They are already asking residents to restrict the times which they charge their vehicles because of the heat. Most households will do find with just 1 gasoline car for distance travel IMHO.
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