So Surprised No F80 M3 vs F10 M5 races out yet!! Looked everywhere -:)

[M6-Coupe]

Originally Posted by Vic55

M6 vs M4..... the guys reaction "yesss" is priceless and the results are as expected:

I like real world
In real world, some times there is no reason to argue about issues....
Just have to wait... time will tell everything lol.. I recall last 1-2 months haha

[Boss330]

Originally Posted by M6-Coupe

boss

have you watched this?... looks like real world is slightly different from what journalist claims

Thanks for the video. However that video didn't show any 0-1000m times.

And, the Sport Auto and Auto Bild etc times are real measured times by some of the most respected magazines. They have used real test equipment to measure true time needed to reach true speed/distance. Times taken from the speedometer off of a Youtube video has potential for a lot of errors... (Speedometer variance and playback speed of video for instance )

But doesn't the video show almost exactly the same times as the M4 in my link also did??? The video is actually a bit faster from 0-100km/h since the Autocar M4 did 0-60MPH (96km/h) in 4,1s and the video shows 4,1s to 100km/h... From 0-150MPH (240km/h) the video shows around 21,5s and the Autocar test managed 20,6s for that test.

To put it this way: I will rather use real world tested times from magazines than a speedometer video on Youtube

But as I previously wrote here:

http://f10.m5post.com/forums/showpos...&postcount=200

No doubt the M6 CP is quick and I have recently concluded that my previous beliefs that the F8x would be closer to the F1x under acceleration most likely was wrong...

[M6-Coupe]

Originally Posted by Boss330

Thanks for the video. However that video didn't show any 0-1000m times.

And, the Sport Auto and Auto Bild etc times are real measured times by some of the most respected magazines. They have used real test equipment to measure true time needed to reach true speed/distance. Times taken from the speedometer off of a Youtube video has potential for a lot of errors... (Speedometer variance and playback speed of video for instance )

But doesn't the video show almost exactly the same times as the M4 in my link also did??? The video is actually a bit faster from 0-100km/h since the Autocar M4 did 0-60MPH (96km/h) in 4,1s and the video shows 4,1s to 100km/h... From 0-150MPH (240km/h) the video shows around 21,5s and the Autocar test managed 20,6s for that test.

To put it this way: I will rather use real world tested times from magazines than a speedometer video on Youtube

As I previously wrote here:

http://f10.m5post.com/forums/showpos...&postcount=200

No it does not show any 0-1000 but use your math logic...
you claimed 0-250 km/h (155.3 mph) in 21.9 and got 1000 m ...
now if the 0-250 km/h is in 24.5 second then everything is way different. correct?

[Schnell_1]

Originally Posted by M6-Coupe

No it does not show any 0-1000 but use your math logic...
you claimed 0-250 km/h (155.3 mph) in 21.9 and got 1000 m ...
now if the 0-250 km/h is in 24 second then everything is way different. correct?

Lazarus? Welcome back

[Vic55]

Originally Posted by M6-Coupe

No it does not show any 0-1000 but use your math logic...
you claimed 0-250 km/h (155.3 mph) in 21.9 and got 1000 m ...
now if the 0-250 km/h is in 24.5 second then everything is way different. correct?

The Prodigal Son Returns!!!!!!

[soooma]

Originally Posted by Schnell_1

Lazarus? Welcome back

+1 LOL
You were dead and now you are alive
We all missed you here bro

[Boss330]

Originally Posted by M6-Coupe

No it does not show any 0-1000 but use your math logic...
you claimed 0-250 km/h (155.3 mph) in 21.9 and got 1000 m ...
now if the 0-250 km/h is in 24.5 second then everything is way different. correct?

Just to be completely clear here. I never claimed anything. I just wrote what instrumented tests by magazines had measured.

In the test by Autocar they measured 0-1000m in 21,9 @ 155MPH. They used 20,6s to 150MPH.

Which of these times are more representative for the M4 is still to early to know. But Auto Bild Sportscars measured the 0-1000m in 21,76s.

As said previously; In my opinion a instrumented test is far more reliable than a speedometer video on Youtube... Especially when we have two instrumented tests reporting very close times of 21,9s and 21,76s respectively.

And we also have a Vbox 0-1000m time of 22.0s @ 246,4km/h here:

http://f80.bimmerpost.com/forums/sho...d.php?t=984354

[M6-Coupe]

Originally Posted by Boss330

As said previously; In my opinion a instrumented test is far more reliable than a speedometer video on Youtube...

yes
and based on our old discussion, the GPS is more accurate than speedo according to speedo error that shows the higher speed than actual speed ya?
So the youtube result is much better than the actual result because 24.9 second reported 0-250 km/s in reality is 24.9 second for 0-240 km/h (correct?)
anyways, I like messing with you but I don't know where those numbers are coming from... I highly believe those Sport Auto guys love M4 too much

[Boss330]

Originally Posted by M6-Coupe

yes
and based on our old discussion, the GPS is more accurate than speedo according to speedo error that shows the higher speed than actual speed ya?
So the youtube result is much better than the actual result because 24.9 second reported 0-250 km/s in reality is 24.9 second for 0-240 km/h (correct?)
anyways, I like messing with you but I don't know where those numbers are coming from... I highly believe those Sport Auto guys love M4 too much

So I guess both Autocar, Auto Bild and that M3 owner in Abu Dhabi have conspired to report 0-1000m times of 21,76s, 21,9s and 22s then...

Oh, and none of the quoted times for the 0-1000m comes from Sport Auto BTW...

[M6-Coupe]

Originally Posted by Boss330

So I guess both Sport Auto, Auto Bild and that M3 owner in Abu Dhabi have conspired to report 0-1000m times of 21,76s, 21,9s and 22s then...

I think so too If my memory helps me, at that time in that UAE thread (that was closed later on) you were one of the guy claimed 24-25 second ...
I think your first estimation was more accurate than what you claim now...
Edit: opps sorry I mean what you post here that Journalists claim

[M6-Coupe]

Originally Posted by Boss330

Oh, and none of the quoted times for the 0-1000m comes from Sport Auto BTW...

And I didn't claim those numbers are coming from Sport Auto did I?
(but between you and me I meant that )
Anyways, your original comparison was between M3 and M5 that is meaningless if they are reported by two different sources... I mean let's motor trend compare both and then we see the result... like this one : motor trend report M5 0-60mph in 3.7 second and then Sport Suto reports M5 0-100 km/h(62mph) in 4.3 second (0.5 second difference)... even corolla can go from 60 mph to 62 mph faster than 0.5 second

http://f80.bimmerpost.com/forums/sho...1009851&page=5

[Boss330]

Originally Posted by M6-Coupe

I think so too If my memory helps me, at that time in that UAE thread (that was closed later on) you were one of the guy claimed 24-25 second ...
I think your first estimation was more accurate than what you claim now...
Edit: opps sorry I mean what you post here that Journalists claim

I don't think I have ever posted anything else than what BMW claimed and what now is confirmed by at least three independent instrumented tests

0-1000m in 21,9s just as BMW claimed originally

Meanwhile, enjoy your scientific Youtube videos

[Boss330]

Originally Posted by M6-Coupe

And I didn't claim those numbers are coming from Sport Auto did I?
(but between you and me I meant that )
Anyways, your original comparison was between M3 and M5 that is meaningless if they are reported by two different sources... I mean let's motor trend compare both and then we see the result... like this one : motor trend report M5 0-60mph in 3.7 second and then Sport Suto reports M5 0-100 km/h(62mph) in 4.3 second (0.5 second difference)... even corolla can go from 60 mph to 62 mph faster than 0.5 second

http://f80.bimmerpost.com/forums/sho...1009851&page=5

Remember that US standard is a one foot rollout for acceleration times. That is good for at least 0,2-0,3s, and then add the extra 2MPH (4km/h). As you can see, the 0,5s difference is easily accounted for

[M6-Coupe]

Originally Posted by Boss330

Remember that US standard is a one foot rollout for acceleration times. That is good for at least 0,2-0,3s, and then add the extra 2MPH (4km/h). As you can see, the 0,5s difference is easily accounted for

You got my point... thanks god
That's why I said let's the same source report the results...
But still I think Sport Auto and the other one you posted (Autocar) love M4 too much
boss, can you find the same results for M6 from those sources please?

[Boss330]

Originally Posted by M6-Coupe

You got my point... thanks god
That's why I said let's the same source report the results...
But still I think Sport Auto and the other one you posted (Autocar) love M4 too much
boss, can you find the same results for M6 from those sources please?

I don't have any Autocar Magazines, but I have looked up in my Auto Bild Sportscars issues and found these test results:

M6 CP GC:

0-100km/h in 3,9s
0-200km/h in 11,7s
0-250km/h in 18,4s

0-402,34m in 11,93s (1/4 mile)

M6 CP:

0-100km/h in 3,9s
0-200km/h in 11,2s
0-250km/h in 17,4s

0-402,34m in 11,81s (1/4 mile)

M6 non CP:

0-100km/h in 4,2s
0-200km/h in 12,6s


M4:

0-100km/h in 4s
0-200km/h in 13,1s
0-250km/h in 22,9s

0-402,34m in 12,04s (1/4 mile)


Since this was before the Auto Bild Supertest, there is no 0-1000m times for the M6 tests.

Interesting that the M6 CP GP and M4 are just separated by 0,11s at the 1/4 mile

[soooma]

Originally Posted by Boss330

I don't have any Autocar Magazines, but I have looked up in my Auto Bild Sportscars issues and found these test results:

M6 CP GC:

0-100km/h in 3,9s
0-200km/h in 11,7s
0-250km/h in 18,4s

0-402,34m in 11,93s (1/4 mile)

M6 CP:

0-100km/h in 3,9s
0-200km/h in 11,2s
0-250km/h in 17,4s

0-402,34m in 11,81s (1/4 mile)

M6 non CP:

0-100km/h in 4,2s
0-200km/h in 12,6s


M4:

0-100km/h in 4s
0-200km/h in 13,1s
0-250km/h in 22,9s

0-402,34m in 12,04s (1/4 mile)


Since this was before the Auto Bild Supertest, there is no 0-1000m times for the M6 tests.

Interesting that the M6 CP GP and M4 are just separated by 0,11s at the 1/4 mile

Wow
No M5 love here -

[Boss330]

Originally Posted by soooma

Wow
No M5 love here -

I could find M5 times as well (but he asked for M6 test results, so that was what I found )

[RPiM5]

Whoops!

[M6-Coupe]

Originally Posted by Boss330

I don't have any Autocar Magazines, but I have looked up in my Auto Bild Sportscars issues and found these test results:

M6 CP GC:

0-100km/h in 3,9s
0-200km/h in 11,7s
0-250km/h in 18,4s

0-402,34m in 11,93s (1/4 mile)

M6 CP:

0-100km/h in 3,9s
0-200km/h in 11,2s
0-250km/h in 17,4s

0-402,34m in 11,81s (1/4 mile)

M6 non CP:

0-100km/h in 4,2s
0-200km/h in 12,6s


M4:

0-100km/h in 4s
0-200km/h in 13,1s
0-250km/h in 22,9s

0-402,34m in 12,04s (1/4 mile)


Since this was before the Auto Bild Supertest, there is no 0-1000m times for the M6 tests.

Interesting that the M6 CP GP and M4 are just separated by 0,11s at the 1/4 mile

Thanks boss
and yes it's sooo interesting to find out such an amazing car M6 is!
faster than another amazing M car ; M4 (which is 800lb lighter)

EDIT: I was looking at numbers you posted again and I found something very interesting and just wanted to share with you.
Since you commented on M4 vs M6 CP GC:
M6 reaches 200 km/h in 11.7 second and reaches 1/4 mile in 11.93 second so we can expect something about 201.5 km/h (~126 mph)@ 1/4 mile if we consider linear discreet acceleration between 200-250 km/h (I know this is not accurate calculation but we can consider good estimation)
On the other hand M4 reaches 1/4 mile in 12.04 second and reaches 200km/h in 13.1 second! The same logic if we consider linear discreet acceleration between 100-200 km/h, we expect 188.5 km/h (~118 mph) @ 1/4 mile...
with that calculations (estimations) we expect 13km/h (~ 8 mph) difference between two cars when they reach 1/4 mile!!!
Again these are estimations and based on the numbers you posted...
BTW the power/weight ration of M4 is 0.118 (425/3600) and power/weight ration of M6 CP GC is 0.130 (575/4400) based on manufacturer's claim

[M6-Coupe]

Originally Posted by Schnell_1

Lazarus? Welcome back

Originally Posted by Vic55

The Prodigal Son Returns!!!!!!

Originally Posted by soooma

+1 LOL
You were dead and now you are alive
We all missed you here bro

Thanks

[soooma]

Originally Posted by RPiM5

Whoops!

That's sad
Hope he's ok
Yeah these cars with this power are scary -

[Boss330]

Originally Posted by M6-Coupe

Thanks boss
and yes it's sooo interesting to find out such an amazing car M6 is!
faster than another amazing M car ; M4 (which is 800lb lighter)

EDIT: I was looking at numbers you posted again and I found something very interesting and just wanted to share with you.
Since you commented on M4 vs M6 CP GC:
M6 reaches 200 km/h in 11.7 second and reaches 1/4 mile in 11.93 second so we can expect something about 201.5 km/h (~126 mph)@ 1/4 mile if we consider linear discreet acceleration between 200-250 km/h (I know this is not accurate calculation but we can consider good estimation)
On the other hand M4 reaches 1/4 mile in 12.04 second and reaches 200km/h in 13.1 second! The same logic if we consider linear discreet acceleration between 100-200 km/h, we expect 188.5 km/h (~118 mph) @ 1/4 mile...
with that calculations (estimations) we expect 13km/h (~ 8 mph) difference between two cars when they reach 1/4 mile!!!
Again these are estimations and based on the numbers you posted...
BTW the power/weight ration of M4 is 0.118 (425/3600) and power/weight ration of M6 CP GC is 0.130 (575/4400) based on manufacturer's claim

Your 1/4 mile trap speed assumptions seems to be quite close to the speeds posted from testing. M4 has a trap speed variance from 116MPH to 120MPH in the tests I have seen so far. There has never been much doubt about the M6 being faster at higher speeds (and being more powerful).