Still want an EV? (NO POLITICS)

[KRS_SN]

Originally Posted by shawnhayes

https://insideevs.com/features/52746...amry-cost/amp/

It’s a pretty comprehensive analysis.

Shawn

That's link is an article from 2021..things change...


Here's a related article from 2023...

https://www.telegraph.co.uk/money/co...and-tesla-bmw/
Electric cars losing their value twice as fast as petrol alternatives

[shawnhayes]

Originally Posted by KRS_SN

That's link is an article from 2021..things change...


Here's a related article from 2023...

https://www.telegraph.co.uk/money/co...and-tesla-bmw/
Electric cars losing their value twice as fast as petrol alternatives

BMW’s lose value very fast too. Doesn’t dissuade people. It’s just one part of ownership.

Again, electrics aren’t the solution for everyone. But they are the solution for some. I’ve had seven, but all had back up gas engines. The ability to cruise around town on nothing but electric really decreases total cost.

Shawn

[Efthreeoh]

Originally Posted by shawnhayes

https://insideevs.com/features/52746...amry-cost/amp/

It’s a pretty comprehensive analysis.

Shawn

Lol. Typical, a video of someone else's math, not yours.

The claim is Tesla's claim (and math). 4 minutes into the video and no math. The video chat boy then throws up figures that he does not back up with calculations. And he assumes $2,000 miles in maintenance for the Camery over 60,000 miles, which is utter nonsense. Secondly the video compares a Model 3 LR, not a M3P. And the video chatboy's math shows just one cent cost per-mile difference.

Tesla said its operating cost per mile is $0.55 (55 cents) for 60,000 miles "which is half of a typical ICE car". Utter nonsense. Using the prices in the video for the Model 3 LR ($41K) and the Camry ($25K), the cost per mile just to amortize the sale price alone of each over 60,000 miles shows the Camery at $0.41 (41 cents) and the Model 3 LR at $0.68 (68 cents) per mile.

[shawnhayes]

Originally Posted by Efthreeoh

Lol. Typical, a video of someone else's math, not yours.

The claim is Tesla's claim (and math). 4 minutes into the video and no math. The video chat boy then throws up figures that he does not back up with calculations. And he assumes $2,000 miles in maintenance for the Camery over 60,000 miles, which is utter nonsense. Secondly the video compares a Model 3 LR, not a M3P. And the video chatboy's math shows just one cent cost per-mile difference.

Tesla said its operating cost per mile is $0.55 (55 cents) for 60,000 miles "which is half of a typical ICE car". Utter nonsense. Using the prices in the video for the Model 3 LR ($41K) and the Camry ($25K), the cost per mile just to amortize the sale price alone of each over 60,000 miles shows the Camery at $0.41 (41 cents) and the Model 3 LR at $0.68 (68 cents) per mile.

Of course not my math. Don’t have a Tesla. But $2000 over 60,000 miles is not “utter nonsense”. Unless you DIY, it could easily be that. Even if you DIY, one set of tires can push it to that.

You can argue the figures if you want, but it’s within realm. Too many people back that up, including me. My hybrids TCO’s are much smaller than the corresponding regular. The increase in cost over the regular is cancelled out over time.

Shawn

[BGM-M3COMP]

I love spending only 8 bucks or so to charge my car

[shawnhayes]

Insurance and tires are big parts of a car ownership. So if you’re just gonna “throw them out”, let’s just throw out the base price of the car.

I see you’re going to argue your point with whatever is “convenient” to throw out that day, you’re never going to see the other side of the argument.

Hundreds of thousands of buyers do. If you don’t want to, fine. But don’t pretend that the rest of us are stupid for buying an electric car, or electrified version.

Shawn

[ASAP]

I mean simple math... the most cost efficient option is and always will be a 2 year old Toyota Corolla... if you are not doing that, then you are not using the most cost efficient option.

However, I will argue a Tesla model 3 is by nature a fast car so that doesn't make it comparable even if you discount the electric drivetrain.

A fair comparo for a base model 3 MAY be a Camry Hybrid which again isn't exactly comparable but still holds a near 10K price advantage...

The model 3 is a good option if you want to explore EVs but it holds no true cost advantage no matter what blabber anyone tells you.

[KRS_SN]

Originally Posted by shawnhayes

BMW’s lose value very fast too. Doesn’t dissuade people. It’s just one part of ownership.

Again, electrics aren’t the solution for everyone. But they are the solution for some. I’ve had seven, but all had back up gas engines. The ability to cruise around town on nothing but electric really decreases total cost.

Shawn

No one buys a bmw to save money..tesla model 3 on the other hand...
and depreciation is part of the ownership cost experience. I like cruising in all electric too..in a car that's well built and has little road noise etc..no point in having electric silence when suspension noise and road noise from wheel arches is a problem.

[KRS_SN]

Originally Posted by shawnhayes

Insurance and tires are big parts of a car ownership. So if you’re just gonna “throw them out”, let’s just throw out the base price of the car.

I see you’re going to argue your point with whatever is “convenient” to throw out that day, you’re never going to see the other side of the argument.

Hundreds of thousands of buyers do. If you don’t want to, fine. But don’t pretend that the rest of us are stupid for buying an electric car, or electrified version.

Shawn

I mean most buyers don't buy it for the performance or the interior or the ride quality or the environment. Most imo buy it as it saves a couple of hundred bucks in fuel per month. And I do think that people buying ev to save money unless they're doing mega Mile's aren't that clever.
Even yesterday a friend whose just bought a model y was raving about how his y takes £7 in electricity costs to fill up for 250 miles and that the merc it replaced would cost £ 24. The math is fine until you realise that he's replaced a 7 year old merc in perfect working order and little to no depreciation with a 45k vehicle to save a bit of cash.

[gonzo]

I'm 99.9% sure if we kicked Powell and Yellen to the curb, Ef30 could do BOTH their jobs MUCH better.

[KRS_SN]

Originally Posted by Efthreeoh

That's why my E90 has 420,000 miles on it. It's still worth it to repair than buy new. It's currently at $0.31 per mile. INCLUDING tires. Lol.

I read somewhere about how people look at a guy in a new range rover and a guy in an old golf.
The former appears rich but is £100,000 poorer as he's leased the car and the latter appears poor but is richer by £100,000 than the former.
Perspectives....

[MmmmmM2]

I love that everyone in here is now totally ignoring BGM-M3COMP.

[BGM-M3COMP]

Lmaooooooo

Doesn’t bother me. Time will make me smile even more.

Love it!

[BGM-M3COMP]

Originally Posted by shawnhayes

Insurance and tires are big parts of a car ownership. So if you’re just gonna “throw them out”, let’s just throw out the base price of the car.

I see you’re going to argue your point with whatever is “convenient” to throw out that day, you’re never going to see the other side of the argument.

Hundreds of thousands of buyers do. If you don’t want to, fine. But don’t pretend that the rest of us are stupid for buying an electric car, or electrified version.

Shawn

Got ‘em!!!!!!! Lmaoooo

Where’s socal when you need him? He gotta join this fun.

[shawnhayes]

Originally Posted by KRS_SN

I read somewhere about how people look at a guy in a new range rover and a guy in an old golf.
The former appears rich but is £100,000 poorer as he's leased the car and the latter appears poor but is richer by £100,000 than the former.
Perspectives....

There's always the "hidden wealth". For the most part, the ballers and posers never really have real equity.

Knowing when and where you can spend a little, and when and where to keep your assets safe and in solid (not crypto) therapy.

Shawn

[BGM-M3COMP]

[dreamingat30fps]

Originally Posted by Efthreeoh

And I've never said anyone is stupid for buying an EV (I actually believe the opposite*), rather, I have repeatedly stated BEV are not less expensive to own. All one has to understand is BEV are being mandated by governments around the world for a reason. The reason is EV has to be incentivised by tax payers to lower the cost of ownership because most people do not see any financial reason to switch to EV. If BEV were that great, no incentives would be necessary to own them.

Buy whatever vehicle you want, just don't force others to do the same.

The data you presented earlier proves that point perfectly, the Model 3 was shown to cost 5 cents more per mile to own than the Camry. Using real pricing, 11 cents more per mile.

* in other words most people are anti-stupid enough to still see ICE as the better overall value.

I bought an EV with no tax incentives. We have fairly cheap power in FL so it costs around $6 to "fill" my model 3 long range. If it was double and cost me $12 I would have still bought it. So surely SOME people still buy them without any incentives because they find it to be a better product.

You can argue about tax incentive and government mandates until you're blue in the face... and you have. I don't agree with any of them and I still think that for MOST people who can charge at home the EV experience is superior to an ICE vehicle. Like someone said in another post about the right tool for the right job. An EV IMO is the perfect everyday commuting vehicle. When we are home in FL I pretty much never take the Cayenne out because the overall experience with the model 3 is so much better.

Oh but those condo people and the people who travel cross country every other week... oh what shall they do... don't buy an EV. Like all the people who don't buy an F350 dually because they have nothing to tow. Or the people who don't own a car at all because they live in a big city and driving is a pain and there's nowhere to park etc.

[TheWatchGuy]

Originally Posted by shawnhayes

Of course not my math. Don’t have a Tesla. But $2000 over 60,000 miles is not “utter nonsense”. Unless you DIY, it could easily be that. Even if you DIY, one set of tires can push it to that.

You can argue the figures if you want, but it’s within realm. Too many people back that up, including me. My hybrids TCO’s are much smaller than the corresponding regular. The increase in cost over the regular is cancelled out over time.

Shawn

Do teslas not need tires?

[Limegrntaln]

I would get rid of my commuter and my G82. No reason to keep both cars when I have one that I can charge for a few dollars.

My main dig is my $600-$700 a month fuel bill. I spent $744.08 last month. That's a whole nother car payment.

I could do a Plaid for $1,600-$1,800, get rid of my G82, that's $1,635, and my Accord Touring, that's $560. $700 in gas, and $260 a month in insurance. A Plaid would still be cheaper.

$2,100 a month with charging and insurance is better than $3,155.

[AlpineBoost]

Originally Posted by Limegrntaln

I would get rid of my commuter and my G82. No reason to keep both cars when I have one that I can charge for a few dollars.

My main dig is my $600-$700 a month fuel bill. I spent $744.08 last month. That's a whole nother car payment.

I could do a Plaid for $1,600-$1,800, get rid of my G82, that's $1,635, and my Accord Touring, that's $560. $700 in gas, and $260 a month in insurance. A Plaid would still be cheaper.

$2,100 a month with charging and insurance is better than $3,155.

$744 in a month for gas How many miles do you drive per year? I'd have to drive almost 38k miles annually to spend that in a month and that's 93 oct at 17 mpg.

[BGM-M3COMP]

Bingo bango! People are starting to come to their senses!! lmaoooo

[dreamingat30fps]

Originally Posted by Efthreeoh

There are no laws in place or incentives to force people to eventually buy only a F350 dually. There are no laws in place or incentives to eventually force city dwellers to buy cars when they can walk instead and there is no place to park one.

So what is your point?

I just bought an ICE miata, my sister in law just bought a massive gas guzzling suv. So clearly there are no laws in place to force anyone to buy an EV. So what is your point?