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AGAIN, let me explain it. People have the implication that you can "ONLY" have fun driving if it's a manual. I said that is false. People started to talk about other things because they use irrelevant scenarios to derail a thread, which what happened, because they have no clue on how to battle the original question/thought at hand. It's already debunked that people can only have fun in a manual. Add the other bullshit you want in the mix, it's ok. Just know that moving foward, your passion for manual will soon be extinct. So there will be nothing to fight for. You can have your passion, and it's fine. But your battle is already over. You guys lost. Sorry. |
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How many times have you told us how much faster you and your automatic are on the track, as if how fast you can drive a car that does some of the work for you has something to do with "this whole thing". So, if faster is your goal, why not let the computers do your steering and braking? Wouldn't that be "better"?
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Someone said you can ONLY have fun in a manual. I said that wasn't true. Which is still the case. Everything else was just icing on the cake. Deal with it. |
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330i guy said it. And another person said automatic is like 95% manual. And i corrected him and said 90%. Because it is. Automatic, whether in auto or manual mode (better in manual mode) holds the RPM's, just a manual would. Automatic, whether in auto or manual mode (probably better in manual mode to satisfy the purists, would be as enjoyable as a manual would. My take on the 90/10% means it obviously can't be 100% because that 10% requires a clutch pedal and your constant need to shift your own gears. A proper auto/dct will eliminate that 10% providing the same enjoyable experience. You really need to drop it LOL |
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I've had countless manual dailys. Was great when i was younger. My most recent manual daily was my wrx. I hated it 1 month into the lease. Couldn't stand doing the dance anymore. That's when i knew the love was completely gone. It's ok to have manual as your favorite. I was only correcting some flaws in some of the posts. That's all. |
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You can definitely enjoy autos!!!
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We all like, want, drive and enjoy whatever we like. That's what makes all of us different. All i was correcting was the general consensus of the manual side that think you can only enjoy driving if the car was a manual. Meaning if someone who had no cars and someone said, ok here's 50 grand, go buy a car you'll enjoy. Then they say at same time, "but you can only enjoy the car if it's a manual so spend that money wisely.". That's basically the implication among manual purists on this forum, or ANY forum. In any thread where the discussion is about manual or auto. Doesn't really have to pertain only to this particular thread. People stated their opinion on that. But all it takes is 1 person to disagree with that making that statement of "only" totally untrue. That was my whole point in this thread. I don't go to the track so i can't and won't comment on autonomous whatever. Because that will derail the thread even more.
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BGM … you take the bait every time 😂😂😂😂 I purposely did not say it's "only fun" —
You are so easily triggered… get your facts straight! EVERYTHING here (you like all caps so here you go!) is OPINION. *Unsubscribed* you killed the fun out of these forums. Nice work
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Automatic = 90% manual. 10% is because of the clutch pedal and the need to shift all the time. Automatic = Can provide control as well Automatic = Can be AS ENJOYABLE as a manual The most rudimentary version available for you. :audi5000:
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And the replies pouring in was proof. Remember what i said earlier about manual guys pouring in as if they need to build their army? Jesus christ i'm smart as fuck.
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But for what we do? Not always. But, current auto's (the last 15 years) have come so, so far, that it's a decent compromise to give up the third pedal for the advantages. At least for me. Maybe not everybody, but for me yes. See you at VIR next weekend? Shawn |
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More fun? No. Less expense, yes. But, I have a buddy with a spec Miata. Every time I catch him on the track, I do a little "follow" with him for a lap or two. I have to admit, I have 90% of the fun, with only 25% of the wear. He is BLISTERING it in the turns, and while I CAN be a little faster, he's pretty damn close. When we're puttering down the straight at 110mph (I'm able to get 160 on the straight away), waiting till the last damn second to brake behind him shows me why everybody thinks Miata brakes are so good. But mine are JUST as good at stopping this 4000 pound lump from 110 as his are stopping that little go-cart. I love being stupid fast in this 4 door sedan that I haul the track tires to and from the track. He has to have a trailer, and space to store the race car, and the tow vehicle. But, he has a crapton of fun, despite being MUCH MUCH slower per lap. And has cheap parts. And uses less gas. And uses less brakes. And has less tire wear. "Fun" is individual. For me, it's the auto M5 CS. But, I'd have 90% of the fun in a little Miata. Choices. Choices. Shawn |
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Boy i grew out of that. As cars became much more efficient, advanced, comfortable and easy to go as fast as you want. I still enjoy that experience, moreso because of how easy it is car makers make these cars with the auto. They're fast, they have many different settings, they have many different characteristics (like if the car is your daily). Some people don't get it. It would be one thing if someone doesn't know how to drive a manual and root for auto. But someone who's done the work for decades, making the transition and still having fun and enjoying the other side, i will absolutely take that as enough evidence to prove a point that you can have fun with the auto. Hence my purpose in this thread here. On other forums, the results would be exactly the same. So i'm not surprised at how this debate turned out.
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