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Gee wonder where these very hot and cold days are coming from? I like how a discussion on the EV devolves into "they are going to take over your thermostat... then your freedom!". No wonder people think we Americans are crazy.
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They can also remotely cut neighborhoods, cities, or states with means that have existed for decades, any time they want, with or without internet. They call those rolling blackouts, something you seem to know about, and have been around a long time. The intentional blacks outs in my area are due to a risk/crisis, and no one can opt out of it. I've been trying to warn that this EV load will create more risk to the stability of the grid, and this is one tool they will manage it. I mean, what else can they do if demand outstrips supply? It's called load shedding. With AMI they could target individuals with high load, rather than whole cities. It's what crisis management looks like. We are steering the system into a supply and demand crisis where there is too much power supply in the day, and not enough at night when people need it. I mean, if you only want reliable power 12 hours a day, I guess we'll get used to it eventually. There are lots of places in Africa that live like this every day. |
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I don't think that is a legitimate problem. Agreed, and solar power with batteries are a good way to battle this. This is a false dichotomy as I explained multiple times with the use of battery cells and increased grid capacity over the next decade.
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Natrium plants specifically :
https://natriumpower.com/ They can store power for peak demand and attach to retired coal plants, repurposing power transmission infrastructure that is already in place. |
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Yes, I understand you aren't buying your power back at night. But as we have discussed previously, battery cells are around 10-14 kwh and are likely to increase. The average commute is 30 miles. Even if we assume 50 miles, it's only 12 kwh. With two cells, that's enough to charge your car AND run your house at night. Average is 30 kwh per day, and only a fraction of that from 10pm to 7am the next day, which is the best time to charge an EV. [/quote] Quote:
“We choose to go to the moon in this decade and do the other things, not because they are easy, but because they are hard, because that goal will serve to organize and measure the best of our energies and skills, because that challenge is one that we are willing to accept, one we are unwilling to postpone, and one which we intend to win.” ― John F. Kennedy I don't think anyone supports this attitude. If energy prices increase, that's a price I'm willing to pay. If I have to get solar and battery cells, that's an investment I am willing to make. If other people don't want to do their part, that's on them. Plenty of us are willing to do it. Everyone has to look in the mirror and see if they have the fortitude to do their part, or just throw their hands up and give up.
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It's also the dirtiest time to charge one. Trading lower cost for dirty air, and calling it a green move? Quote:
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What do you mean who's cells? I thought it was clear. You keep saying it's the dirtiest time to charge. Based on what? Does the power company switch the coal burner on at night only? I don't understand. If you charge at night and you have battery cells, it's solar. We've gone over this several times. Again, you can't start producing supply of there is no demand. Basic economics. I thought that was clear. I am. My neighbors are. Those who chose to be a part of solving problems will. You should say it so you are clear and there are no misunderstandings. Sorry I'm on mobile so I couldn't break up your post to answer specific points. Hope this is okay.
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https://leginfo.legislature.ca.gov/f...02120220AB2700 So the ball is already in play to help make sure electric companies will be able to adapt to the added grid demand in the upcoming years. "Smart grid" or not, utilities have had the ability to cut your power since the beginning. This isn't part of the "new world". Source on the grid switching to fossil fuel when the sun goes down? This is a difference of opinion. I believe it's not a personal environmental goal. It's a state voted goal by the people and for the people that ultimately does good, not harm. Again, my opinion. However, I cannot tell the future. I cannot, with 100% certainty say it is possible to meet a goal 13 years from now. But you cannot see the future either. You cannot logically say with 100% certainty that we will fail, because you also cannot see the future. We can only asses what we are doing, and see if our actions go towards or against success over time. Provisions are provided in legislature like the link I posted above. It's a good step towards success. As a citizen of this country, I will be doing my part in participating to favor success. I've think I've kept it cordial. Have I not?
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https://www.energy.gov/articles/bide...ricas-electric
In the least, even if this whole EV endeavor never really completely replaces every single ICE, our grid should be more resilient than ever. If you're from Texas, this should be welcome news.
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It'll be interesting to see if this lofty goal can actually be executed in the time frame set. But with situations such as this, I'm not holding my breath:
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Public Resources Code imposes a limitation on the publicÂ’s right of access to the meetings of public bodies or the writings of public officials and agencies No reimbursement is required by this act There is nothing in there that will enable anything, just a suggestion, and they can do whatever they want about it without public review/input or governmental intervention/penalty, and they won't be reimbursed in any way. Quote:
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I'd offer my own self because I support the guys that run a major portion of the transmission and distribution grid, but I can't share real data without risk of firing and serious legal trouble, so just stop by Caliso, look at their supply trends and demand cycles. I've supplied links to them prior. but here it is again : https://www.caiso.com/TodaysOutlook/Pages/default.aspx Quote:
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Innovating is certainly over due, but there are a variety reasons it hasn't been done already. Those very reasons will make this endeavor a tipping point in reliability. It will alter load profiles and divert resources & manpower away from other reliability efforts that are already "emergencies". I don't believe this can't be done, I believe it can't be done in this timeframe. |
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We need to consider the full text: "SEC. 5. The Legislature finds and declares that Section 2 of this act, which adds Section 25328 of the Public Resources Code, imposes a limitation on the public’s right of access to the meetings of public bodies or the writings of public officials and agencies within the meaning of Section 3 of Article I of the California Constitution. Pursuant to that constitutional provision, the Legislature makes the following findings to demonstrate the interest protected by this limitation and the need for protecting that interest: In order to protect the confidential and proprietary information of an entity subject to Section 2 of this act, it is necessary that this act limit the public’s right of access to that information." I think we can all agree, on both sides of the political spectrum, that protecting these businesses proprietary info allows for sharing of the data without the risk of weakening said businesses. This is reimbursement to local agencies on new legislature. Again, the full text: "SEC. 6. No reimbursement is required by this act pursuant to Section 6 of Article XIII B of the California Constitution because the only costs that may be incurred by a local agency or school district will be incurred because this act creates a new crime or infraction, eliminates a crime or infraction, or changes the penalty for a crime or infraction, within the meaning of Section 17556 of the Government Code, or changes the definition of a crime within the meaning of Section 6 of Article XIII B of the California Constitution." Section 6 of Article XIII B of the California Constitution: "ARTICLE XIII B GOVERNMENT SPENDING LIMITATION [SEC. 1 - SEC. 15] ( Article 13B added Nov. 6, 1979, by Prop. 4. Initiative measure. ) SEC. 6. (a) Whenever the Legislature or any state agency mandates a new program or higher level of service on any local government, the State shall provide a subvention of funds to reimburse that local government for the costs of the program or increased level of service, except that the Legislature may, but need not, provide a subvention of funds for the following mandates: (1) Legislative mandates requested by the local agency affected. (2) Legislation defining a new crime or changing an existing definition of a crime." Reimbursement, in this case, is not for the electric companies, nor it's customers as incentives, if that is what you mean. Quote:
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At 22:00, it's 16,528 out of 35965 MW - 45.9% It's actually lower. Admittedly, the reliance on imports is higher at 2200, but like I said, determining how clean that is requires a deeper dive. However, with more homes adding battery cells and panels, those numbers would be overall lower, and be 100% stored solar power in battery cells. It more of having to face an unavoidable problem head on. There is nothing to gain by believing we will fail before we have even tried. The worst that could happen is that the grid is stronger than ever, and there will be more EVs on the road with improved technology to recycle batteries, or even find a new way to make them. The worst we can do is nothing.
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