01-19-2015, 08:48 AM | #23 |
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I would wait to see results but I have faith in AMS to do it right. Also opens the door to other tuners as well.
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01-19-2015, 08:52 AM | #24 |
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Humm I wanna wait and have the guinea pig report back with some real world driving....without warranty is kinda nerve wrecking.....
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>alternatives offered by cheap, low quality piggy back controllers.
#shotsfired seriously wouldn't throw stones until your product is on the same planet even... and those 'cheap low quailty piggy back controllers' work WITH a flash tune even. Quote:
come on, please don't confuse stupid people, boost is boost, AFR's are AFR's, timing is timing, etc. etc. regardless of what you think of a piggyback, the companies that make them have a much stronger reputation than AMS for this platform. besides, $3k is just 'M tax', RnD? lol. Quote:
most of the power gains with an NA motor is in timing as well as for these cars, VANOS, which a piggy doesn't have much/any control over for boosted cars, the difference is a lot lower piggy:flash, considering most of the power comes from boost and AFR, VANOS effects spool more than power in an optimisation sense, and while yeah, more timing will give you more power with enough octane, you can easily max it out on 91, and even moderate E85 blends that will tax your fuel system anyway. APR/Audi is totally different, whenever a new car comes out they can flash it pretty much straight away, since their communication system/ECU security hasn't changed in a decade lol Last edited by flinchy; 01-19-2015 at 09:07 AM.. |
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01-19-2015, 09:12 AM | #26 |
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3k is still kinda steep! should be around 1-2k at max
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01-19-2015, 09:38 AM | #27 |
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I already have the Dinantronics would have loved to jb4 but for me the 100 more hp than I already got on top of the dinan piggy by being able to add catless dps and meth just isn't worth the risk reward maybe one day ill be able to afford the risk...
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01-19-2015, 10:04 AM | #30 | |
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As far as the amount of actual work they contributed, it's questionable. I remember reading somewhere that they were simply a US outlet for a tuner that is overseas. EDIT: I'd like to add that it's also possible that they're sending them out to be unlocked then doing the tuning themselves. I think $3000 is a little steep for a tune. That's the luxury car tax at it's finest. But economics tells me that if people will pay it, then it's worth it. I bet prices come down once the tools become more widespread. Last edited by Unklejoe; 01-19-2015 at 10:22 AM.. |
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01-19-2015, 10:15 AM | #32 |
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That is so funny how many new "users" chimed in LOL , piggybacks have nothing but issues, there's always issues with piggy back, ask anyone who had both, and you will get the same answer, it doesn't control "Timing is Timing ? LOL it doesn't even control timing.
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01-19-2015, 10:16 AM | #33 | |
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I could be wrong, but here's what I read on another thread.
Either way, it's good to see progress. See below: Quote:
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01-19-2015, 10:24 AM | #34 |
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I'd rather have a true flash than a piggy back. My only hesitation is how much experience AMS has with BMWs to ensure reliability. When I think if AMS, I think of GTRs, Evos, and Scooby doos. Not so much with BMW but we can use more developers for our parts. Helps brings pricing down.
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01-19-2015, 10:29 AM | #35 | |
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In the end, all gas engines work on pretty much the same fundamentals. It's just a matter of finding out the MBT sweet spot and such. There's nothing really "special" about the BMW motor that makes the process any different. Once the load system of the ECU is understood, it should be like any other car. |
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01-19-2015, 11:28 AM | #40 |
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How is this "ECU Flash" any different from BMS JB4, ECU Tunning, and Dinan?
They all fairly do the same thing by raising PSI boost to produce more horsepower. Unless there is a full actual ECU Tune I don't justify paying anything more than what JB4 offers. I am very content with my 667 rwhp 2014 ///M6 Competition Package with RPI downpipes, custom race exhaust, BMS JB4, and VP Fuel MS109 octane. Till I see another new ///M Car beat me at Shift S3ctor or see videos of taking on an Mclaren MP4-12C like I have by 3-4 cars, I stand strong with my setup.
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01-19-2015, 01:01 PM | #42 |
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I agree. People are going to b***h about everything. 3k for 100hp is cheap hp.
I bet you they were not b***g when dinan was charging 25k for stroker motor producing 105hp
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01-19-2015, 01:02 PM | #43 |
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I don't have an M5, so no skin in the game, but I'd just like to address the warranty concerns.
1. Aftermarket parts do not void your BMW's warranty. The only time they cause a problem is if an aftermarket part is the cause of whatever problem you're addressing at the dealer. Then you're SOL unless you have a very good relationship with your dealer. 2. This is AMS and iND. They are both outstanding companies that go out of there way to make their customers happy. I'm certain they'll go above and beyond working with their customers to address any problems that could arise. But remember, it's all part of the risk modifying cars. If you don't want the risk, you have to buy a car that has more power you're already satisfied with. Or you find a dealer with a Dinan agreement; though I'm sorry, but I have a low opinion of the vast majority of Dinan products. Anyway, I'm sure the price may come down a bit when they no longer have to send the DME to Europe to have it unlocked. The first adopters usually have to pay a bit of a premium and work out the kinks of the whole process. |
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01-19-2015, 01:04 PM | #44 |
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3k is a bargain for 100hp. I wished we had NA cars again. How much hp can you get for 3k on NA engine again? turbo engines has spoiled everyone to a point where 100hp should be 1k now. Can you imagine a vendor offering 100hp for 3k for E90x.. think about that for a minute. Dinan exhaust for E90x cost as much as this tune..and how much hp did you get with Dinan exhaust? this is to put things into perspective for people crying about 3k for 100hp.
Seriously people.. IF vendor sold tune for 1k, people will still complain it should be $500. 3k for 100hp tune is too steep? Just wow..
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