Sport Auto - Interview with Nitschke about the future of M, a M supercar, AWD, Hybrid

[swifty]

Originally Posted by YungDro

Do BMW not realise that there is a market for a supercar. people would buy it.. I find it stupid that they won't make one. Yes the i8s is coming but its not from M. Just wish they would give it to the M division and throw a V10 in it. Then it would really be a special supercar.

Each new model (not Sub Models on the same platform) costs a little over 1 billion dollars. They can't justify that unless the collaborate with another MNFR. Audi has Lambo and Porsche which helps spread the costs out.

[eleven11]

That's right, we had the ten cylinders in the pre-development still further developed, also for displacement, that was a really fascinating engine.

V10TT for the GXX M5 please.

[SCOTT26]

More or less confirmation on some recent posts.

[YungDro]

Originally Posted by SCOTT26

More or less confirmation on some recent posts.

with all these rumours floating around do you think the V10 would be back? and do you think an actual M supercar will come in future?

please say yes

[Boss330]

Originally Posted by YungDro

with all these rumours floating around do you think the V10 would be back? and do you think an actual M supercar will come in future?

please say yes

+1

[Blackraven]

Originally Posted by stealth.pilot

Supercharged cars still sound great and have the advantages of forced induction driving with more consistent throttle response.

The Jag F-Type R Coupe I just bought has the best V8 exhaust note I have ever heard from its forced induction supercharged engine which really delivers on the performance aspect too.

Oh at least we can agree on that.

The F Type V8 sounds like a fireworks display. It's crazy. I really wonder how Jaguar does it to make it sound that way

In fact, that same principle can also be said for the Jaguar XFR/XFR-S as well as the Jaguar XJR LWB. I really don't know how Jaguar does it to make their stock exhaust make these kinds of rackets haha but it seems to be working.

But going back.....

The ultimate culprit and cause of this would be on excessive government regulations and limitations.............as well as bickering and lobbying from eco-terrorists and tree huggers.

[Ghetto2315]

Originally Posted by Boss330

Will there be a GTS model based from the M3, and if so, when?
Nitschke: We have some good ideas there, and the special topic models under the M-label has worked very well, as the past has proven. And BMW celebrates in 2016 a birthday, and we at M GmbH will probably celebrate as well…

Yesssss...

[M3 Adjuster]

Originally Posted by RPiM5

So pretty much the Naturally Aspirated engine is dead.

Wow. I think you are officially the last person to understand this. LOL

[M3 Adjuster]

Originally Posted by Boss330

The case for the turbo apart from the fuel economy is that a 300hp turbo engine with the S55 power curve would make for a much faster car than with a 300hp NA engine. Average power under acceleration would be higher, and you would have more torque for that daily driving fun

I am actually also a great fan of the NA engine, especially the BMW I6 engine The response and sound of a good NA engine is a huge plus. And the sound of a Ferrari F12 or 911 GT3 is so much nicer than a McLaren P1 or 911 Turbo

As regards emissions, that is a quite complex issue. But EU and the US has different policies regarding CO2 emissions and fleet averages. BMW, as a European manufacturer, has to meet a very strict fleet average CO2 level. As a independent manufacturer, BMW doesn't have a large fleet to offset the effects of the ///M divisions CO2 emissions. And it also has Rolls Royce in it's fleet, which doesn't exactly help to lower CO2... So every division of BMW has to meet strict emissions reductions in order for BMW to avoid fines for each vehicle they sell... For Porsche, as part of the VAG fleet, the 911 GT3 makes a allmost un-noticeable effect on fleet CO2 emissions. But, ///M division actually makes a noticeable impact on the BMW fleet CO2...

Nice post.

Originally Posted by Rupes

Can I ask why you wouldn't buy a N/A engine again? Do you dislike the instant throttle response and intake sound? Turbos have been around for along time and they are very good now. But, if given the choice between a 300 HP N/A and a 300 HP turbo engine, I'm not sure what case outside of fuel economy could be made for the turbo.

I too am disappointed by this news. Surely if Chevy can still develop a pushrod NA V8, why can't BMW innovate to meet strict emission requirements using the same formula?

dollars to donuts... that Chevy won't be pushrod for much longer. you can pine all you want for an NA motor.. but my god man.. did you notice that Ferrari is putting turbos in their vehicles? there is a reason that the Pushrod motor in the newest Ford F150 is gone.... and that Ecoboost motors are showing up in the Mustang lineup..

it doesnt take a rocket scientist to realize there is No innovation that will help NA motors keep up with future emissions requirements.. oh wait... yes there is... turbos..


http://www.nhtsa.gov/fuel-economy

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Corpora...e_Fuel_Economy

[Sapper_M3]

Originally Posted by stealth.pilot

Yeah not sure why the sad face though. I mean you wouldn't be sad if he said we won't be making cars with a carburetor or drum brakes again. Old engine design is dead because it doesn't deliver modern performance.

Personally I would never buy a car with a naturally aspirated engine ever again.

I would like to see either dual charging or turbo hybrids. However from this article it seems M isn't pursuing either of these in the near term.

Naturally aspirated engines don't deliver modern performance?

Audi R8's V10
SRT Viper's V10
Porsche 911 GT3 (this generation or, hell, even last generation)
Ferrari 458
Ferrari LaFerrari (the car also has a KERS, but its NA V12 that produces 789 bhp at 9000 RPMs should be good enough for just about anyone as a standalone)

Nothing wrong with turbo engines, but it's silly to think that naturally aspirated engines can't deliver modern performance.

[edwinm3]

Originally Posted by Sapper_M3

Naturally aspirated engines don't deliver modern performance?

Audi R8's V10
SRT Viper's V10
Porsche 911 GT3 (this generation or, hell, even last generation)
Ferrari 458
Ferrari LaFerrari (the car also has a KERS, but its NA V12 that produces 789 bhp at 9000 RPMs should be good enough for just about anyone as a standalone)

Nothing wrong with turbo engines, but it's silly to think that naturally aspirated engines can't deliver modern performance.

^this and lol at the guy who said that the new M3/4 sounds better than the E9X :

[3M TAPE]

Here we go, AWD M5/M6

[modkrazy]

The challenge of naturally aspirated is compliance with legal rules as for consumption and emission. Thanks to BMW TwinPower Turbo technology maximum torque is already at very low rpm. The consumption advantages over conventional naturally aspirated engines are significant. The development of naturally aspirated engines for the high-performance segment, is with regard to aspects such as approval for road use and for taxation not making any sense anymore. That's why I believe that the NA engine will be limited to the true exotics. I firmly believe: There is no way around a turbo engine today.

Translation: we did it because we had to, not because we wanted to. I'll stick to my "true exotic".

[Twitch Massacre]

Originally Posted by stealth.pilot

Yeah not sure why the sad face though. I mean you wouldn't be sad if he said we won't be making cars with a carburetor or drum brakes again. Old engine design is dead because it doesn't deliver modern performance.

Personally I would never buy a car with a naturally aspirated engine ever again.

I would like to see either dual charging or turbo hybrids. However from this article it seems M isn't pursuing either of these in the near term.

I can't say I agree with this. Try driving a naturally aspirated car like a 458 or Huracan and then jumping into a turbo car and you'll see why this is indeed a sad fact.

[clar]

Originally Posted by Twitch Massacre

I can't say I agree with this. Try driving a naturally aspirated car like a 458 or Huracan and then jumping into a turbo car and you'll see why this is indeed a sad fact.

Absolutely right! Having driven the Speciale for a few weeks now, I generally avoid driving the M5 unless I have to. The throttle response in the M5 feels lack lustre even in Sport Plus throttle setting. However, supercharging seems to be the ideal middle ground between NA and Turbo charging. It delivers on power/torque while maintaining the symphony that we love! Unfortunately, super charging is not the chosen approach by many manufacturers as it's ultimately a little less efficient when compared to turbo charging

[snaimpally]

First, thank you for spending the time to translate and post the article. Very interesting information.

People are always resistant to change, and the move to forced induction is no different. Forced induction has been around for a while, but recent advances, which allow manufacturers to deliver decent gas mileage and smoother torque curves are what is spurring the wide spread adoption of forced induction. The power output of some (non-BMW) 2.0 liter FI engines is now well in excess of 300hp. NA engines are a dying breed. Thankfully, it sounds like MT cars will still be made available.

I was a little surprised about the comments regarding a two seater sportscar, when it is well known that BMW and Toyota are collaborating on a two seater. I would think that would be a prime candidate for an M badge, especially to distinguish it from its Toyota cousin. Or was he talking about a supercar two seater, similar to the Audi R8?

It sounds like BMW decided to bet that the engineering lessons learned from the i8 will benefit the company more in the long term than simply engineering another supercar. I recently read an editorial in a car magazine in which they talked of interviewing someone at BMW. The BMW executive mentioned that BMW was looking to bring the type of leadership that Toyota has with hybrids to BMW's market segment. In the end, I think it will be a smart move.

[psuibmw]

All I need now is an M4 Gran Coupe ... It will be a perfect car, with the looks of the GC and the performance of the M4 ... That is a dream car ... are you listening, sir?

[IB M]

Originally Posted by M54ccibo

Did anyone get that part about Active Sound Design with outdoor speakers? Did M GmbH really consider that? WTH? One thing to play some sound inside the car...another thing entirely to be using fake exhaust notes to the world.

+10

My God Man - Whoever even contemplated outside speakers should be banned from the auto industry.

[mainly]

Originally Posted by stealth.pilot

Personally I would never buy a car with a naturally aspirated engine ever again.

ever drive one of these?

more fun than any turbo car ive ever driven.
not to knock the turbos altogether, they do haul ass.
but to me, not the same experience, emotionally.

[IB M]

NA motors dead at BMW perhaps but not at other brands. NA motors will become more exotic and rare. S54 and S65 will become more desired and fondly remembered among M enthusiasts. Newer Turbo and SC cars will be fastest and win lap time bragging rights.

[Doctor///M]

Awesome! Thanks for taking the time to translate this for us.

[Boss330]

Originally Posted by IB M

+10

My God Man - Whoever even contemplated outside speakers should be banned from the auto industry.

Audi use them on their high powered diesel models already...