Can't see myself moving to the G M5 when it comes out...what are your thoughts?

[m5hadoop]

Originally Posted by Used2be

I find I have the same visceral response to the exposed versions of the display in the BMW line as well as Mercedes, Audi, etc. The pop-up look seems like an after thought, when instead the dash should be built around this essential feature in a car at this quality level. When I looked at the 2013 M6 during my buying decision period prior to buying the M5, I actually looked for a button to retract the display! Might as well have the speedometer and the tach as separate modules on top of the dash!

I'm in the same boat. It shouldn't be such a big part of whether you like a car's interior or not, but the main screen is becoming a very central piece and I never liked the popup ones. I felt that the M5 did a better job than the RS7 by integrating it nicely. Now the next generation M5 seems to go to popup screens whereas the latest Audi trend (A8 CES info) seems to be a large integrated screen. Merc is going that direction as well. It just feels like a big step back to me.

On the other hand less weight and AWD (if it can be controlled to a 100% rearward bias) are great things to have.

[Spinny02]

I hate the pop up screen. I don't get the trend at all.

Does anyone like it ?

[SF_DCT]

It's hard to say without actually sitting in it, so will have to wait and see. But one of the reasons I moved from the e92 to the f10 instead of the f80 (which was my initial plan) was because I never got comfortable with the lack of quality feel. The materials used in the f10 (and the e92) just have a more substantial, higher quality feel to them, and it's likely because there was a bit of overlap in generations. If the cabin of the new M5 feels like they've saved money (and weight I suppose) in materials it will be a major disappointment. I think the floating navigation screen looks "cheaper" in my mind.

[ozbmwnut]

one of the reasons for choosing my m5 was because of the integrated screen.

But, i think me all of us will just have to admit that our next car will, whether we like it or not, have a screen that looks like an ipad stuck to the dash with double sided tape....

[6spdterror]

I dont feel as strong about the nav screen. As long as the next M5 has AWD and looks sexy as hell im in! I hope they make it look leagues diff than the regular 5 series tho.

[johntomferg]

Originally Posted by ozbmwnut

... whether we like it or not, have a screen that looks like an ipad stuck to the dash with double sided tape....

I suspect you are more right than you may know.

Tweed jacketed car salesman: "Get a free ipad and a roll of double stick tape with every car purchase! Now you can take your navigation with you when you leave the car. It is the way of the future!"

I have a phone/phablet for that with a vent mount and guess what, when technology moves on (like it did with the phone cradle adapters in the center consoles of the BMWs) or you watch features and apps from the car manufacture disappear post purchase (who remembers being able to easily remote lock/unlock your M5 from you android phone in January 2013?) BMW will only be able to placate unhappy consumers.

I don't like this plan and I am not proud to be a part of of it.

But back to topic:
Glad to see this thread pickup a little...started to think I was part of a vast minority that didn't like the floating display.

For those that think we are silly/unreasonable worrying about such an aspect, it is a 90-100k car now - what will it be when the G comes out? 15-20% more sticker by then? I already own (by most opinions) the "best M5" that has come out - when I look at moving up to the G vs keeping the F it needs to be a compelling argument for me to separate with big money again. Dave has already commented on other aspects of the G that are part of his focus, this one just happens to be a big tick on my short list of concerns. The M5 is my first BMW, and I enjoy it a lot but I do not yet know if BMW will have an encore in my garage.

[mr_djurgarden]

The new M5 will be great. I will of course have one.

But please add some more space for keys, smartphones, credit cards ….

[RPiM5]

Originally Posted by johntomferg

I suspect you are more right than you may know.

Tweed jacketed car salesman: "Get a free ipad and a roll of double stick tape with every car purchase! Now you can take your navigation with you when you leave the car. It is the way of the future!"

I have a phone/phablet for that with a vent mount and guess what, when technology moves on (like it did with the phone cradle adapters in the center consoles of the BMWs) or you watch features and apps from the car manufacture disappear post purchase (who remembers being able to easily remote lock/unlock your M5 from you android phone in January 2013?) BMW will only be able to placate unhappy consumers.

I don't like this plan and I am not proud to be a part of of it.

But back to topic:
Glad to see this thread pickup a little...started to think I was part of a vast minority that didn't like the floating display.

For those that think we are silly/unreasonable worrying about such an aspect, it is a 90-100k car now - what will it be when the G comes out? 15-20% more sticker by then? I already own (by most opinions) the "best M5" that has come out - when I look at moving up to the G vs keeping the F it needs to be a compelling argument for me to separate with big money again. Dave has already commented on other aspects of the G that are part of his focus, this one just happens to be a big tick on my short list of concerns. The M5 is my first BMW, and I enjoy it a lot but I do not yet know if BMW will have an encore in my garage.

I'm part of the group that hates the floating screen design. Even the new recently unveiled Mercedes E-Class executes the Nav/Info display better than the floating screen design. There are only really two advantages to the floating screen concept and that is creates more space in the center console area, and for screen cooling capabilities.

There's no doubt in my mind that the G30 and next M5 will be a great car both inside and out, I think I may have just outgrown the M5 unless I really need the space for a family and kids. M6 gets my attention instead.

[greentrbo95gst]

I totally agree with you on the panel style screen. It's a hard thing to swallow for me and definitely sticks out like a sore thumb. My wife's F15 x5 has it and although I am used to it, sometimes I look at it and think WTF was bmw thinking.
I love the way the screen is incorporated into our dashboard in the F10. It just flows so well with the entire interior.
With all that said, once I drive the G series I will most likely be sold on the performance.

[Squddie]

Those "bolted on ipad" style car displays can go to where the pepper grows as far as I'm concerned. Not a dealbreaker, but meh.

[b5ka]

Gotta step up forward... But to Mercedes direction? Are you all getting old?

[platinum903]

Is there anybody out there that likes the bolted on iPad look? I can't believe they continue to go in this direction.

[avlnch]

Originally Posted by johntomferg

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So with the spy shots of the G 5 series showing that the display is now the panel style, I just can't see myself moving to the G M5 when it becomes an option.

It is an odd thing for me to have such a strong opinion about a styling cue, but I simply do not like the panel style display sticking up out of the center of the dash on the other/new BMWs.

Having the display smoothly integrated like it is on the F M5 is very appealing to me. Don't get me wrong, I will not hurry up and get rid of my F M5 because of the missing future that I would move onto, but it may just have the effect that I keep my F M5 longer and likely will not replace with another BMW.

What are your thoughts regarding this styling or other similar elements that have been shown of the G 5 series?

I too do not like the floating screen style. Bulky, out of place, afterthought.. It simply ruins the entire look of the interior.

Maybe the interior of this M5 production car is a placeholder of sorts so the car can be driven and mechanically tested? I say this because it all looks off.. the vents are way too short, and so is the bottom controls/everything below it. Manual parking brake, no ignition button..

I do not think this will be the interior of the next M5.

[SFT33]

Everytime a new model comes out people say they hate it and will never buy it. Eventually...they all do.

[ur20v]

I for one like the 'floating' design.

[RPiM5]

I'm glad that this thread resurfaced. I'd like to offer some more points for discussion.

After having done modifications where weight was decreased on my F10 M5, I can say that even if the next M5 only drops 150lbs it's going to be a big improvement. I personally do think they are going to manage to drop around 300lbs from the F10 M5 for the next generation M5. It'll be a combination of the carbonstructure chassis, a carbon fiber roof, carbon fiber drive shaft, carbon fiber boot lid, carbon fiber engine strut braces, and maybe even a carbon fiber hood that will get the next M5 to be under 4,100lbs. I would think it would be feasible to also design the 4 doors on the next M5 completely out of carbon fiber as well, due to the massive production in Carbon Fiber that BMW is doing now and in the future. Having an M5 with 4 fully carbon fiber doors would probably drop at least 100lbs off the car. Weight does mean everything, but this doesn't discount other performance enhancers like horsepower and grip.

I can confidently predict that the next M5 will be good, like really good, but it won't be great. Just the F10 M5, it is really good, but not great. The E39 was probably the greatest M5 of all time because it combined the special ingredients that make a sports sedan a proper sports sedan: average size chassis, weight under 4,000lbs, exotic engine, proper manual 6spd transmission, and enough luxury and technology to make it comfortable and enviable. While the E60 M5 will always remain famous for it's Formula 1 derived V10 engine. The F10 M5 will go down in history as the 1st turbocharged M5 with powerful performance due to the engine and Dual Clutch Transmission, but will also get the distinction as the most heavy M5 ever. The G80/F90 M5 will be good in that it will offer a lighter weight combined with better technological features and comforts, and using the same powerful engine as before, it really won't suck, but it just won't be great either. Technology has also diluted BMW ///M's these days as well. Sure you can order bare bones F80 M3 these days with a Manual Transmission, but even that manual gearbox still has electronic nannies on it.

I'm still not interested in the next M5, #1 reason like I stated before is because I know it is going to be a bigger car and I don't want a bigger car even if it is lighter. I'm also still disappointed in the use of the S63xx engine again. Time will tell though. If BMW M Division is reading this, you will have my money if you make the S63tu engine rev out to 8,500rpm.

[SteveC]

There are too many other cars I'd like to drive and I've never really 'bonded' with the M5. Its a lovely car and I thoroughly enjoy certain aspects but overall its too big and heavy for the type of roads I like to drive. I also don't much like DCT in D mode and if I'm going to drive in Sequential all the time, I'd rather have a 6 speed manual. I think my next car will be an M4 CP or an M2 (hopefully CP)

[stealth.pilot]

Originally Posted by SteveC

There are too many other cars I'd like to drive and I've never really 'bonded' with the M5. Its a lovely car and I thoroughly enjoy certain aspects but overall its too big and heavy for the type of roads I like to drive. I also don't much like DCT in D mode and if I'm going to drive in Sequential all the time, I'd rather have a 6 speed manual. I think my next car will be an M4 CP or an M2 (hopefully CP)

Nobody intelligent should cross shop an M5 with an M4/M2. Its pretty obvious a smaller car is going to be more fun to drive and better on the twisty country roads. Also between those 2 you are probably better off with the M2. The M4 is a car which makes no sense - it has the inconvenience of 2 doors, without any performance advantage over the M3.

You buy an M5 because you need a big 4 door saloon car in the family, and you want one which is also exceptionally fun to drive.

I sold my M5 to get out while the resale values are still decent ahead of the new body style launch. But our C300 is a temporary car until I can get a bigger performance sedan. Will be looking at both the AMG E-Class and the Panamera S for delivery early next year.

[bobblehead]

what is bmw thinking ? Like Dave said, sticking in the same engine with some tune in a brand new generation M5 ?

So, the engine will actually being sourced for like 10-11 yrs, counting the F10 entire life cycle + the future G life cycle and yet it costs like $100,000+.

No thankyou. For those who still choose the future M5, there are better cars out there. I personally, have already ordered a E63 to be delivered in Spring 2017.

[SteveC]

Originally Posted by stealth.pilot

Nobody intelligent should cross shop an M5 with an M4/M2. Its pretty obvious a smaller car is going to be more fun to drive and better on the twisty country roads. Also between those 2 you are probably better off with the M2. The M4 is a car which makes no sense - it has the inconvenience of 2 doors, without any performance advantage over the M3.

You buy an M5 because you need a big 4 door saloon car in the family, and you want one which is also exceptionally fun to drive.

I sold my M5 to get out while the resale values are still decent ahead of the new body style launch. But our C300 is a temporary car until I can get a bigger performance sedan. Will be looking at both the AMG E-Class and the Panamera S for delivery early next year.

I bought an M5 because my company's car policy demanded 4 doors. I'll buy an M2 or M4 because I've since retired and am free to buy whatever the hell I really want.

[SFT33]

To the poster above stating there are better cars out there - I'd like to know what you think they are. Please don't say Cadillac, Audi or Jag. Not one of them compares in fit, finish, refinement and performance. Not to mention they depreciate like nobody's business. Porsche and Benz are purely subjective and if you want AWD they are good alternatives. The former is overpriced and hideously ugly and the latter is not a better car than the M5. Great car for sure - better - no.

[SchillerM]

Originally Posted by RPiM5

The E39 was probably the greatest M5 of all time because it combined the special ingredients that make a sports sedan a proper sports sedan: average size chassis, weight under 4,000lbs, exotic engine, proper manual 6spd transmission, and enough luxury and technology to make it comfortable and enviable.

I'm also still disappointed in the use of the S63xx engine again. Time will tell though. If BMW M Division is reading this, you will have my money if you make the S63tu engine rev out to 8,500rpm.

Regarding the E39, I am struggling on what to do with my 180k mile example, it needs many items and hard to justify doing anything about them due to age and lack of value. But damn do I love driving it! Drove my wifes loaner 328i for a few days and smiled my whole drive to work once back in the M5.

I assume the plan to continue with the S63tu is many sided, one being that they don't want another 3 year gap in model years.

I am not a fan of the screen sticking up, I prefer the smooth look, but its not a deal breaker for me. Atleast it is in the general viewing range, E39 is so low in dash it isn't nearly as nice to use as the newer ones.
Overall design is more important than individual thing like that.

Matt