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I do notice that the engine braking is a little less on the 1m than my N/a stick shift pick-up truck which has almost equal displacement (but paradoxically revs really fast). I like the high-strung feature of the engine and enjoy being able to effortless downshift while heel-toeing. Good job BMW. Now if only they can get my wheel bearings built to hand the cornering of the car we can be set. |
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08-14-2012, 10:34 PM | #26 |
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08-14-2012, 11:27 PM | #27 | |
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08-15-2012, 12:06 AM | #28 | |
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I don't have any experience with the M5 yet, but I would definitely pick the automatic for the 550i. By the way, the manual 550i that I test drove had been sitting at the dealership for 7 months, and it's still sitting there unsold. Another dealer here has a manual 535i which they've been trying to sell for a year and a half... They told me that demand for manual 5-series cars is zero. They said that even demand for manual 3-series cars is very small these days. |
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08-15-2012, 01:21 AM | #29 |
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In the one series forum, it seems that a majority drive 6MT even though the take rate is just below 10%. I really like my DCT and the discussion about how computer gear engagement helps to deal with turbo lag tends to confirm.
As it happens, I drove a 535i loaner with M Sport and 6MT for a few days. The car impressed me with its smooth ride and luxury, but for me shifting got in the way. It takes all types...
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08-15-2012, 07:34 AM | #30 |
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Anyone else see a resemblance between that baby and Chris Harris?
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08-15-2012, 09:47 AM | #31 |
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I wonder if I can retro fit that shift knob into the m3. Hmmm.
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08-15-2012, 09:56 AM | #32 | |
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08-15-2012, 10:48 AM | #33 |
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The drinking baby really does it for me!
But seriously, thanks for the write up. Shifter feel is top on my priority list and I'm glad that BMW offers this with a manual. |
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08-15-2012, 04:06 PM | #37 | |
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Comments on the quoted section of your review are that the driver controls gear selection for the DCT in sequential mode, so as long as the clutch is engaged, lag is the same between 6MT and DCT. My assessment is that BMW has done a good job of minimizing lag (MUCH more responsive than my 335) but have not eliminated it. I definately agree that the car gives its best when you drive with consideration for the fact that full torque will be on tap briefly after you ask for it, rather than immediately as on typical high performance NA engines. The flip side of this is that full torque at 2000 rpm on the F10M5 probably exceeds E60 torque at 6000 rpm, so the issue is less related to timing of power delivery as it is to 'feel' and controllability. Your observation on engine response during throttle blips on downshifts is interesting. I've noticed something similar with the DCT and was blaming the gearbox. When downshifting on trailing throttle, the gear changes and half a heartbeat later engine braking kicks in like throwing out an anchor. I'm experimenting with a heal/toe action to reduce this effect and finding some good results. Note that from a technical perspective, turbos have less impact on the engine braking characteristics you describe than the throttle map does. It's great to hear personal experiences from some who cares about the driving experience. Thx for posting! |
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Great review, thx for sharing.
As far as the turbo lag and choice of transmission, I do recall a video of Chris Harris testing the F10 M5 (DCT) where he felt the manual may be the better choice when it comes to lessening the feel/effect of turbo lag (his rationale IIRC was the tranny was too quick for the engine which only exacerbated the feel of the lag). I'll have to dig through YouTube and find that video.
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08-15-2012, 09:15 PM | #42 |
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I have a manual in my F10 550 and love it. I am coming from a modded 6MT G35 and a modded 6MT e92 M3. It was my main draw to the 550 (not many choices of cars in this class with MT) since I knew I was going to mod it a bit. If I were planning on keeping it stock, the automatic probably fits the stock suspension better.
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Truth be told, I need to try these back to back, which looks like might happen later on this month, but as of now little can make me sway towards DCT. It will in all likelyhood be the last ever M5 offered in a manual, perhaps one day will be looked at like the last aircooled Porsche (993) PS: there are a couple of people I know in Europe getting the M5 in manual through diplomatic channels, so not all Europeans think the 6-spd should be ditched
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Well just to followup for you guys. Today I did it - pulled the trigger on what I believe to the best 4 door sedan on the planet . Silver Stone, Full Black, Alum, Exec Pack, and 6MT!!! So pumped - going to be a hoot!
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