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View Poll Results: North American Members: What M5 Transmission Do You Plan to Order? | |||
6 Speed Manual Transmission | 82 | 39.61% | |
7 Speed DCT (Dual Clutch) | 119 | 57.49% | |
Undecided | 6 | 2.90% | |
Voters: 207. You may not vote on this poll |
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04-24-2012, 07:26 PM | #68 |
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I think some just do not get the point. In the U.S. it is hardly possible to go greater than 55MPH without the cops behind you. Unless you go to the tracks where a DCT would be desirable for fast shifting, most people driving a manual in the U.S. enjoy the involvement with the car's acceleration -- this is not some "macho" thing that some seem to insinuate is the reason -- albeit somewhat infantile as what Mr JBlack4083 refer to as "manhood complex". I have experienced driving friends' M3's with DCT on long/short drives and just did not enjoy the experience -- found it really boring. To each his own and to say that anybody has a manhood complex just because of this is rather telling of the person insinuating such. Again, it is "involvement in driving" experience that most manual enthusiasts are craving and not because they have a manhood complex.
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formula drivers don't use manual trans. so you're saying they're tards? driving a manual doesn't require skill. i thought myself to drive a manual when i was 13 but i prefer the dct for my m5 and i have an smg on my e60 m5. and i notice you have an all wheel drive car. anybody can drive an all wheel drive car. no skill required. i say don't judge people based on their preferences.
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This is exactly why many Americans still prefer manual. For some, it's a more engaging experience on our slow roads and commutes.
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04-24-2012, 07:42 PM | #72 |
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I voted 6MT but intend on getting the M6 configured as such. I assume there will be a 6MT in the M6 as well?
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It has not been confirmed but assuming it will happen for 2013 productions.
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04-24-2012, 07:57 PM | #75 | |
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I said, even those that are concerned with the driving involvement that a MT provides, cannot deny that a lot of times when these debates come up theres always a few individuals who seem to write things insinuating that "Real Men" drive MT or that people who drive two pedal cars aren't real drivers or aren't as intelligent. There is a comment or two like that on the first two pages of this very thread. It's comments like that which make it seem like, TO SOME PEOPLE (keyword SOME), it's a manhood complex and not the desire for true driving involvement. I originally said everything as courteous as can be and even stated that I wasn't speaking on ALL M/T enthusiasts as there are some who do not fall into this category. At the same time there are some that do, which is why i made the comments. For you to pass my comments off as "infantile" and say that they are "rather telling" of me is unnecessary as its obvious you did not read everything I wrote. |
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MT always.
Why do they say few drivers want MT. I'm pretty sure more than many BMW enthusiasts drive MT. No matter how fast DCT shifts, I want my car to shift when I WANT. |
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"...there is a small but very stable following of customers who simply insist on the manual..."
Yes, I am one of those few, call me a dying breed. The F10 M5 will strictly be a manual for me, in fact if it weren't offered in a manual I would pass altogether. BTW, current poll shows nearly 40% take rate for the manual, if this holds true that is a serious split. Quote:
1. Manual was offered in the 07 MY, a year after the US 06MY introduction as a result of 'pressure' from the BMW owner community. The F10 is from the get go. 2. Gearbox was straight from the 545i, total parts bin raid. I have heard BMW personnel claim the manual tranny on the M5 was developed from the ground up, and has more in common with a NASCAR car than a road BMW 3. The fiasco of the TC cannot be disabled on manual E60 M5s led to extremely negative press, and lawsuits in fact. This adversely affected the subsequent take rate of manuals. The TC 'fix' was 'addressed' with a software update later on for the 07 MY and of course subsequent MYs were not restricted, but the damage was already done. 4. The engine characteristics of the V10 in the E60 was clearly not well suited for a manual. The TQ monster F10 is a different story. Quote:
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How would a 6 speed compromise the car? if you can drive it right, there should be no issues. |
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I would quite literally, love to see your proof of this!
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