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10-19-2012, 05:51 PM | #67 | |
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The RS 7 will face off against the M6 Gran Coupe which I am told is mind-blowing in handling and overall composure. I recently drove an A7 and for what it is I found it dynamically flawed compared to the 6er Gran Coupe. The question was do you want more weight or less weight? and customers wanted less weight so plans for an xDrive M5 were dropped. Demand is purely driven for rear wheel drive M cars if a customer wants AWD then it will be the BMW X5M and BMW X6M which in most markets with the need for all-wheel drive outsell their RWD bretheren.
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If done properly and with all advantages, AWD competition will beat the vague "better handling" hands down. M5 F10 is already at the peak of RWD engineering and any more added power without AWD would have a lot of potential lost. If next M5 is to succeed, it will have to have xDrive option. Last edited by singularity; 10-19-2012 at 08:47 PM.. |
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I believe the changes will be significant, not a complete changeover but significant enough to make the wait worth while (if waiting is an option). At least with the F10 M5 LCI, you know you won't have an outdated M5 until at least 4-5 years. Even if a new 5 series comes out, the M5 will still be a year or 2 away from then.
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Couldn't agree more! Hopefully BMW realizes this
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I'm not even 100% set on the F10 M5 yet, but if I do get it, I would only buy it through euro delivery and I wouldn't be able to do that until August next summer, so it puts me at a perfect time.
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10-19-2012, 09:37 PM | #73 |
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With this LCI coming a year earlier in the F10's life, is there a possibility BMW will have another LCI before end of production of the F10?
Assuming the normal 7 year life, there will be 4 more model years for this chassis after this LCI. |
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I would say absolutely not...that would be a first for BMW and I would bet my left nut they won't do that. After this LCI (if not already), the next generation 5 series will begin its production and testing...
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So I was talking about the horizon when the next M5 is set to dawn upon us. The E63AMG already will be AWD as we see, the RS 6 will be around, and with the M5 likely to be pushing 600 or thereabouts, I really feel the limit of a RWD car with so much power and tq has been reached. Considering how 'important' 0-60mph times are for many North American folk and journalists, launching and hooking up that much power on a RWD platform becomes a monumental task, regardless of how many launch control or other features you aid the car with. It's pure physics. You may be surprised, but I still hear ppl asking the BMW dealers why the Panamera S posts better 0-60 times than the M5 despite being down on power (or the Tesla outdrags it, that's the winner ...) I am all about weight reduction and a nimble chassis (one of main reasons I got the 1///M), but sadly we may not see this on the 5-series platform which with time is bound to get bigger and even more luxurious. Many journalists have even come out and said the F10 M5 is the best ///M 7-series BMW has ever made. I will be ordering a 'stripper' M5 (with the 20" wheels as they are lighter than the 19s) largely because I am concerned of its weight (and frankly I don't care for soft close doors and tech assistance gadgets that the average ///M driver shouldn't really need IMO). And yet it will come in tipping the scales near 4,400lbs. I wish BMW considers giving a CSL version of sorts for the M5 (as there was such a 'study' in the E60 M5 that never saw daylight). There are a lot of folks here that would compromise many extras in exchange for having a car hitting the scales sub 4,000 lbs. The HP wars are getting out of hand, and that is mostly a byproduct of the added weight each new platform almost undoubtedly carries. Most I reckon would prefer a 500hp 3,900lb 5-series than a 600hp 4500lb one. Quote:
And as Porsche has shown, AWD does not always have to be vague. No chance for an LCI twice in a car's lifetime, not been in BMW's dictionary, and for a good reason IMO.
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I think that you're right on target here. The only area where I disagree is that the aura of the M5 has always been it's performance/luxury combination that doesn't compromise either (the E39 set the benchmark). For me, I want a luxurious daily driver that is also a beast. Admittedly, I want all the leather and a lot of the gadgets, but I want it in an sub-4000 pound car. To me, that should be the ultimate goal. And I think many of us would pay for it (just look at the cost of the Panamera).
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Curious, are you going off a hunch when you say you believe the changes will be material or have you read otherwise. From what I've read so far, and nothing is official, it sounds like minimal changes to the F10 M5, unless I missed something. Perhaps LCI is fitted to regular F10s then not until 2015 for M5's, couldn't that be a possibility?
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10-22-2012, 01:35 PM | #79 | |
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The E60 LCI just looked better, it looked newer and fresher (as it should) and today, anyone looking at used E60 M5 would be crazy not to opt for a 2008 ++ (LCI began in 2008). I think the changes will be similiar. Minor tweaks that sometimes make a big difference in the overall look! And no shot that the regular F10 will recieve LCI, but the M5 only to receive it a year later. No way!
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For the e60 LCI you could retrofit everything except for the interior changes. I had an 08 but my friend had an 07 modified to look identical to mine. We sold for almost the same price in the same year. An M5 is special and if you care for it well it can hold good value.
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In March 2011, my friend picked up a 2008 M5 (LCI), it had only 40000km on it. In service date was November 2008, the car was not even 2 1/2 years old when he bought it for under 50k. The car was loaded with everything except full leather (approx brand new msrp of 110k). And he bought it from a dealer, not a friend or an auction. Also I should mention the car is a Canadian vehicle (early lease return). Not a US vehicle. Lastly, it was metallic black with black interior (not some undesirable ugly color combo). And if you need further proof of this, just look at BMW residuals. Not only in Canada but even in the US with the F10.
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Most noticable changes would be: The headlights - no orange in the corner and no daytime running light inside the smaller inner angel eye. The bumper - because they removed the orange from the headlight, it was moved to the bumper (which anyone can paint or get rid of completely with a good body shop) The tailights - LED Tails The interior - different (nicer IMO) centre console where the seat heater buttons are. Best of all... much nicer and smaller steering wheel (also, option of heated steering wheel only in LCI, but thats obviously not relevant to the F10 as it already has this option)
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Good deal on the LCI E60 M5 is probably due to the fact the F10 M5 is already in the last stage of testing and production and available in Canada in March 2012. Thus, it does affect the price as dealer does not want to get stuck of the old M5. Make some $ better than make no $.
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We are half a year away so I guess we will all see
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But your right, we will see soon enough...
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Heres to hoping for minimal changes, but my situation calls for an M5 in March so Im going for it.
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