UPDATE!!! German tuner LEIB Engineering cracked the F-series DME last week!!!

M-bitious · 08-18-2014, 01:00 AM

It seems it is not a fuel pump issue but a problem with the press file. If I update the BMW software version after 9.13 and reload the press file again all should be ok. I will see what info I can get while there.

Andym3100k · 08-18-2014, 05:03 AM

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Originally Posted by M-bitious

It seems it is not a fuel pump issue but a problem with the press file. If I update the BMW software version after 9.13 and reload the press file again all should be ok. I will see what info I can get while there.

What kind of boost r u running with yr current tune?

Glowin · 08-18-2014, 01:59 PM

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Originally Posted by gmd2003

It's what I thought . The encryption is not broken , they are just bench flashing the ROM by soldering to the ECU board thus it taking two weeks . No way in hell am I letting someone do that to my ECU.

That is soooo 2000!

I had my 1.8T A4 back in the day tuned that way. Shipped off the ECU to APR, who flashed it in a day, and shipped it back same day. Not a big deal. Everyone did it back then, and noone freaked out, b/c it was the norm.

As long as you've got a reputable tuner IMO, you'd be fine. They've done hundreds if not thousands of soldering jobs like that probably.

marcoac14 · 08-18-2014, 10:15 PM

Many people have reported that Russian tuners are able to Flash F10/F20/F20 ECUs. What they seem to do is open the ECU and short a pin to enable boot mode. Then they reset the DME time so it can be flashed. I'm not sure they're able to flash a custom map although I've been told that it's possible. But I'm pretty sure that this methods allows them to flash a 328 map into a 320, for instance.

Check this out

Boss330 · 08-19-2014, 01:57 AM

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Originally Posted by marcoac14

Many people have reported that Russian tuners are able to Flash F10/F20/F20 ECUs. What they seem to do is open the ECU and short a pin to enable boot mode. Then they reset the DME time so it can be flashed. I'm not sure they're able to flash a custom map although I've been told that it's possible. But I'm pretty sure that this methods allows them to flash a 328 map into a 320, for instance.

Check this out

This is quite possible I would say. The DME has a time limit of 10 hours where it's open to make changes (like going from 523i to 528 spec where the engines are the same and it's only software that differs). After 10 hours of use, the DME shuts that door. It might be possible to buy a brand new DME and do this, but that's also expensive.

This method only allows for changing from one BMW software to another, as far as I know.

And, they can't do this process for any of the S engines (like S63, S55) nor any of the N63 engines.

Boss330 · 08-20-2014, 02:27 PM

This is the latest developments regarding DME software modifications from LEIB Engineering:

They are now able to ship already tuned DME’s to customers. At present time this currently only available for all N55 and S55 engines.

M5/M6 will be the next. It will be finished in the end of September.

Completely opened Vmax, deleted CEL and more is possible.

The first tunes are:

M135i & M235i: 390 PS and 525 Nm
M3 & M4: 550 PS and 650 Nm
All other x35i(s): 360 PS and 500 Nm

The customer can keep his own DME. They can now ship the already tuned DME directly to the customer.

All they need is some basic info of the car, in order to flash the correct base software.

They have also lowered the price AFAIK

M5Rlz · 08-20-2014, 05:44 PM

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Originally Posted by Boss330

They have also lowered the price AFAIK

Why though? Why lower it if you've got a proven correct and safe way to tune a nearly un-tuneable car?

Tom C · 08-20-2014, 07:04 PM

Won't the M5 require 2 new DMEs? I wonder what the pricing would be for that?

Andym3100k · 08-20-2014, 07:58 PM

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Originally Posted by Tom C

Won't the M5 require 2 new DMEs? I wonder what the pricing would be for that?

+100000 how much will that be?

M6-Coupe · 08-20-2014, 09:01 PM

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Originally Posted by Boss330

[*]M3 & M4: 550 PS and 650 Nm

^^^ This must be posted in M3/M4 forum to give them some hopes to keep up with M5/M6 lol

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They have also lowered the price AFAIK

How much was and how much is? (before, after)

Boss, with the number you posted, I'm expecting near 700 HP for S63tu if they can crack the ECU

Andym3100k · 08-22-2014, 06:30 PM

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Originally Posted by M6-Coupe

^^^ This must be posted in M3/M4 forum to give them some hopes to keep up with M5/M6 lol

How much was and how much is? (before, after)

Boss, with the number you posted, I'm expecting near 700 HP for S63tu if they can crack the ECU

700 HP is on wheels(whp) or on flywheel?

Boss, u r upgrading too? If yes when is it coming? Did someone say the 1st week of sep?

M6-Coupe · 08-22-2014, 09:06 PM

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Originally Posted by Andym3100k

700 HP is on wheels(whp) or on flywheel?

Boss, u r upgrading too? If yes when is it coming? Did someone say the 1st week of sep?

Flywheel I meant!

Boss330 · 08-23-2014, 03:53 AM

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Originally Posted by Andym3100k

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Originally Posted by M6-Coupe

^^^ This must be posted in M3/M4 forum to give them some hopes to keep up with M5/M6 lol

How much was and how much is? (before, after)

Boss, with the number you posted, I'm expecting near 700 HP for S63tu if they can crack the ECU

700 HP is on wheels(whp) or on flywheel?

Boss, u r upgrading too? If yes when is it coming? Did someone say the 1st week of sep?

I'm not doing a tune at the moment, but M-bitious has posted that he will try this in september.

All the euro tuners quote flywheel hp, so I'm pretty sure that's what they refer to here as well.

Boss330 · 08-23-2014, 03:56 AM

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Originally Posted by M6-Coupe

Quote:

Originally Posted by Andym3100k

700 HP is on wheels(whp) or on flywheel?

Boss, u r upgrading too? If yes when is it coming? Did someone say the 1st week of sep?

Flywheel I meant!

Pretty sure it's flywheel as that's what Euro tuners generally use.

They have said that they can do custom tunes with larger turbos etc, so 700 might just be a stock engine tune.

Andym3100k · 08-23-2014, 08:47 AM

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Originally Posted by Boss330

Pretty sure it's flywheel as that's what Euro tuners generally use.

They have said that they can do custom tunes with larger turbos etc, so 700 might just be a stock engine tune.

Alright noted, thks.

Andym3100k · 08-28-2014, 09:19 AM

Any new update coming along?

Andym3100k · 09-08-2014, 08:54 AM

Hi Bitious, how is your tuning coming along?

greentrbo95gst · 09-08-2014, 12:34 PM

update please.

M-bitious · 09-09-2014, 12:34 AM

I dropped off the car yesterday for them to do their magic. We will also try the new Super Sprint exhaust manifold to see what that brings.

Boss330 · 09-09-2014, 02:44 AM

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Originally Posted by M-bitious

I dropped off the car yesterday for them to do their magic. We will also try the new Super Sprint exhaust manifold to see what that brings.

Looking forward to updates here

Best of luck

Andym3100k · 09-09-2014, 04:56 AM

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Originally Posted by M-bitious

I dropped off the car yesterday for them to do their magic. We will also try the new Super Sprint exhaust manifold to see what that brings.

Perfect, pls keep us updated on the progress.

Btw what is the difference between the stock manifold with the SS?

Hopefully they can make adjustment on the fueling too.

M-bitious · 09-09-2014, 08:23 AM

SS has a larger diameter, but we will dyno before and after.

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