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ICE is going to trigger a massive economic boom. It's ironic to hear presumable capitalists say "but there's no BEV infrastructure" or "but there's no battery recycling" as if that's a bad thing - definitely a Sharktank audition fail: "so what's your product?" "nuthin cuz all the good ideas are taken!" Reminds me of Amazon in the 2000s: nobody understood how they'd make home delivery affordable but it turned out it was a simple model: The key was the top part: Amazon realized if they passed on their growth cost leverage savings to customers that would generate more traffic which would encourage more sellers and on & on lighting up a growth flywheel (while also destroying competitors without even trying) BEVs light up the exact same flywheel with one key difference: battery & manufacturing technology has barely begun to deliver cost leverage ... Basically BEVs are Amazon circa 1999. Except x1,000.
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Reminds me of Amazon in the 2000s: nobody understood how they'd make home delivery affordable but it turned out it was a simple model:
I'm not seeing economic slave labour in that graphic.
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Reminds me of Amazon in the 2000s: nobody understood how they'd make home delivery affordable but it turned out it was a simple model: I'm not seeing economic slave labour in that graphic, that's how they made it affordable.
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All of these—whether investments, subsidies, or taxes; whether to encourage or discourage—have the same broad result, which is to alter public behavior. Raise alcohol taxes? People drink less. Make high-speed rail cheaper? People travel more by train. Build more, larger freeways? People commute longer distances. If you want to argue that the US providing tax credits for EVs is "forcing" people to buy them, then you should be equally willing to argue that the US investing more in roads and less in mass transit (compared to, say, European nations) is "forcing" people to buy cars. I'd use the term "encouraging", but okay. Last edited by synchronicityii; 11-02-2021 at 07:20 AM.. |
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11-02-2021, 07:34 AM | #74 | |
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Uuhhhh NO Amazon became widely used because the US govt SUBSIDIZED every shipment that went out Same thing with Te$la which has not turned into a profitsble company ever, has been subsidized to the tune of billions by the US govt to keep it afloat If the worlds biggest govt and cia/other agencies want to turn you into a success , believe me they will with today's controlled fake news media The rules of a normal company dont apply here |
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As for Tesla, I assume you're talking about their regulatory credits and/or Federal EV tax credits. Well, in their most recent quarter, their net income (per GAAP) was $1.618 billion with $279 million of that coming from regulatory credits; therefore, their profit would have been $1.339 billion without those credits. And as for the Federal EV tax credits that reduce the cost of their vehicles, those ran out at the end of 2019. So again... I have no idea to what you're referring. |
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What I’m telling you is EV‘s wouldn’t have a chance if it was it being forced upon us by government. And it’s not like they’re only giving credits. They are mandating it. That means it’s mandatory for all you folks that went to public school. That’s a joke by the way. In other words they are interfering with the free flow of capitalism and whenever they do that it screws up everything. Especially something as silly as EV‘s. Anybody that pays any attention knows they cause just as much carbon buildup as ice does they just do it in a different way. Plenty of articles on that proving it. This is just a feel good thing and a way for government to virtue signal. It’s ridiculous. |
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How do you feel about monopolies? Also things like combining sawdust in flour to maximize profit?
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Great. Can you link to some? I'll start. This is from a 2015 review of lifecycle assessments (LCAs) of GHG (greenhouse gas) emissions for EVs: Quote:
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There are some interesting points here. I personally don't like governments having such a stake in engineering the world order. Throughout history we have seen governments push their will on people. Many times it was marked with good intentions. It is great to think electric is the way to go, and maybe it is, just don't force it on me through government will.
There are many solutions to solving the green problem. The biggest contributor is population growth. Why not make a law that says the population has to drop to a specific amount by 2030? This is an extreme, but what happens when our world leaders decide to do this. I think the first thing we should do is start planting trees. Trees consume CO2. Then go with nuclear plants (which will take time, but we have trees). Then let us see where technology takes us...electric, hydrogen, garbage (saw a car converted to run on garbagge...it was great). |
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I think you underestimate your audience. From what I can gather you think you know some OMG facts no one else has considered, and when asked to share those facts you bail. Let's have those facts! I think you'd find a lot of interest and get some good discussion. As of yet, not so much. |
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And these are "very easy answers to get", but you won't provide them. Okay. |
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