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05-19-2013, 03:30 PM | #89 |
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BTW your comment is ironic given your screen name. If you don't buy first year anything, do you buy iPhones a year after they come out to get the S model so when the next new shape is launched, you get to be stuck with the old one for another year?
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This isn't a turbos-are-bad-and-it's-not-an-M-anymore. This is more that the M5 is meant to be somewhat more comfortable and less some snarling beast. The E60 was more angry than the F10. This isn't a knock on the F10 (well aside from the engine noise thing which is silly in my opinion) it's just my opinion. My view differing from your's doesn't make me a clueless monkey. It just means we disagree. |
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This makes you an armchair commentator in my opinion. Further since I and many others have had both, and put thousands of miles on each model, we would know better than you or the journalists. After 8000 miles in an F10 M5, I would say it is a more visceral sports car than any previous BMW M5.
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Agree with Stealth that folks who haven't spent legitimate time in these cars need to stop whining about turbos and active sound. Contribute something with substance from experience.
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You're right that I haven't spent meaningful time in either car. So I'll differ to those who have.
However, I don't agree that the M5 is meant to be a "balls to the wall" sports car with no compromise. It's a fast sedan but makes compromises to find balance and that's not a bad thing. The M5 seems more of a 911 Turbo than a GT3RS. |
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Actually I don't know why I am even asking that. Your going to lie and say you have. Dude seriously though, if there is one thing I have learned on this forum is that there are many other types of BMW enthusiasts. Each with their own opinion. If you are happy with your car (which you obviously are), thats great, I'm happy for you. But keep in mind others may not share your opinion. And calling them names definitely won't make them see it your way. Now before you furiously pound on your keys to write that you weren't talking too me, and that I have no idea what I am talking about, ect... Take a minute and think about it. |
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i agree the f10 is more refined, but keep your car and driver comments to yourself unless you have something meaningful to say to the rest of us
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I'm not saying the M5 isn't competitive or is soft. I'm saying its not a hardcore balls to the wall car. And neither was the e60 and neither was the e46. All M cars are about balance (and as a result compromise) that's what makes them great cars. We can agree to disagree and that's fine. But just because I haven't driven an f10 doesn't mean my opinion is of no value as it pertains to the nature of M cars. |
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05-19-2013, 07:11 PM | #97 |
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That is because NSX is super lite weight mid-engine compared to these M6 and M5 like heavy weight cars. The NSX front wheels were not burdened with all the excess weight of the engine. Thus, the front wheels and what they did was more transparent in regards to feed back and feel. I still feel that if it was a hydraulic setup in NSX vs EPS it would have been even more sharper and precise.
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Love the wheels and glad to know BMW is still tweaking the car to make it even better. We would be worse off if we had to wait two years for these tweaks.
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Because you are talking about experiential characteristics of the vehicle - things which are sensed and felt. You can't comment on that with any more value than a deaf person can come up with a playlist.
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So - are you still going to order a 2014 then stealth? Seems it might be easier just to retrofit the heads/tails. The 10mm drop is hardly worth doing as you could just drop on Eibachs or H&Rs if you haven't already. Other programming changes also don't seem worth it if you already have and love your 2013. |
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05-19-2013, 08:36 PM | #102 |
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I'm amazed how marketing department makes M cars "not so cool" unless you get the extras. What is the price we have to pay to get a decent car? Is 60$k for m3 not enough or 100k for m6? Need more?
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However I am going to the M Track Day and looking forward to test driving the M GranCoupe. That may be a viable option.
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I'll be ordering a '14 M5 for September delivery, at very close to dealer invoice. I don't love the new CP wheels, but will likely go CP anyway for the other bits. Only q I'm struggling with is Imperial Blue vs Sapphire Black. I'm a Carbon Black fan - love it on my 2009, and if they offered it on the new ones that's what I'd be ordering. I think Imperial is just a shade bluer than Carbon, so that over full platinum is likely the way I'll go. |
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I would strongly recommend Imperial Blue. I had it on my 2012 car. It's a fantastic color. Imperial and Carbon are similar, but Carbon has a little bit of yellow in it - it's like a dirty blue, whereas Imperial has more gamma. I think the level of darkness is similar. You could also consider Azurite Black - that's even closer to Carbon.
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Agree. I think that would be stunning.
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I am not so sure what are you trying to get at by chassis setup.
Chassis setup is heavily influenced by Chassis balance. The amount of weight you carry over the front wheels as well as drive wheels that put the power down all can influence greatly the feel of steering a car. It can heavily influence the steering feedback as responses to the steering input by driver are diluted by improper driving dynamics which in turn make the steering feel suffer. As for software calibration sure it has a lot to do with it. It can improve the feel tremendously but it still can't cover up the inherent flaws. Now this is why a light weight lotus with proper hydraulic steering has even far better steering feel and feedback compared to the proper setup hydraulic feed back Porsche Cayman S the so called steering feel and feedback kingpin.
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